Noah’s Global Flood: A very significant historical event

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Webers.Home

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Well, water in space does not form a cloud but rather solidifies and turns
into ice.

Apparently something out there is keeping that water warm enough to
prevent its freezing.

Space is still a mystery in some ways; for example dark matter and dark
energy. To date, nobody yet has figured them out.
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Gen 6:1-2 . . Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face
of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that
the daughters of men were good; and they took wives for themselves,
whomever they chose.


The Hebrew word for "good" in that passage is towb (tobe) which is one of
those ambiguous Hebrew words that can be utilized in a wide variety of
applications. It can indicate morality, a tasty meal, a job well done, a nice
man, a pretty dress, a shapely woman and/or a handsome man, and an
expert musician and/or a really groovy song. But in this case; I think it's
pretty safe to assume towb refers to a woman's looks.


The characteristics of the "sons of God" has been debated. Some say they
were members of the aristocracy of that day who married attractive women
from among the commoners. Others say they were renegade spirit creatures
who donned fully functioning human avatars-- replete with synthetic male
genomes --so they could cohabit with women; thus producing a hybrid strain
of hominid freaks. Others say they were God-fearing men who threw caution
to the wind and built themselves harems of humanistic women who believed
and practiced existential philosophies.


Intermarriage between men of faith and infidel women is a proven tactic for
watering down, compromising, and even extinguishing Bible beliefs and
practices (e.g. Num 31:7-16). The people of God are strictly, unequivocally,
and clearly forbidden to marry outside their faith. (Deut 7:1-4, 2Cor 6:14
18)


Wives can be very effective in influencing an otherwise pious man to
compromise his convictions; for example Solomon got off to a good start but
down the road accumulated a harem of foreign women who led him into
idolatry; which subsequently caused The Lord to engineer rebellion in the
kingdom. (1Kgs 11 & 12)


The sons of God in Noah's day-- whose wives were chosen based solely upon
sensual appeal sans any spiritual prudence whatsoever --all perished in the
Flood right along with their infidel wives and children. Not a one of them had
the good sense to go aboard the ark with Noah.
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Noah probably had many brothers and sisters from Lamech drowned in the flood along with cousins from Methuselah who had become corrupt with idolatry like the rest of mankind and I doubt they believed rain and a flood was coming ..
 
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What you said has nothing to do with you exaggerating,

That is another topic, I quoted you because that was a extreme example about drowning in a teaspoon and many have died in one foot of water

I know there have been people who unfortunately that happened slipped in one foot water and got knocked out or injured and the air passages was submerged I get that but to say many have died I don’t think you even looked into how many have died that way just randomly said it
Like I said, You just want to try to discredit everything i say.
 
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Like I said, You just want to try to discredit everything i say.
when I see statements like the one you made yea you bet, your lungs are design to take in water, you breath it in everyday, When i was younger and surfed I’ve probably took in a gallon of water over the years, in rare cases there might have been someone who got sick.

but I know why you said that and so do you
 

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Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days . . Those were the
mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The Hebrew word for "giants" in that passage is somewhat ambiguous. It not
only refers to people of unusual stature, but also to bullies, i.e. alpha males,
achievers, tyrants, and movers and shakers.

Historical examples would be men like Genghis Khan of Mongolia, and
Alexander the Great of Greece; Napoleon of France, Peter Alekseyevich
Romanov of Russia, Chandragupta Maurya of India, shogun Minamoto no
Yoritomo of Japan, conquistador Hernando Cortes of Spain, Timur: founder
of the Timurid dynasty, and Zahir-ud din Muhammad Babur: founder of the
Mughal dynasty that ruled the Indian subcontinent for over three centuries.

In other words: nephiyl doesn't necessarily indicate a special race of people;
but simply strong men whose ambition is to dominate others; even if they have
to completely destroy their culture and kill them all off to do it. (I think we
can see some of that willingness to step over the bones of others right now
in the power plays going on in the handling of the corona crisis.)

I would categorize Nimrod as a nephiyl. He was the first statesmen to
successfully unite the world; and it was such a solid unity that only divine
intervention could bring it down.

The phrase "men of renown" indicates that the nephil types got all the press:
they were the Man Of The Year back then while guys like Noah were
marginalized and went largely unnoticed.
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when I see statements like the one you made yea you bet, your lungs are design to take in water, you breath it in everyday, When i was younger and surfed I’ve probably took in a gallon of water over the years, in rare cases there might have been someone who got sick.

but I know why you said that and so do you
Like I said,

You believe the way you do. I will believe the way I do

You go ahead and breath in a who teaspoon of water, Make sure it all gets into your lungs, ie take a deep deep breath

Do this, And you can prove me wrong

otherwise, i will go with what medical professionals have been saying since at least the early 80s, which is when I first heard it.
 

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Here’s a unit conversion, 15 cubit is a little over 22 feet
Research on the cubit shows that it was about 20 inches, rather than 18 inches. In fact the Ark project in Kentucky used this cubit for reconstructing the Ark.

20 x 15 = 300/12 = 25 feet (according to the royal cubit). The water was 25 feet above the mountain tops, and then receded to allow the Ark to settle on mount Ararat (which is in Turkey). If we assume that Noah and his family lived somewhere in Mesopotamia, then the Ark traveled from there to Turkey before settling down. That is about 1,100 miles in a northwesterly direction.
 

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God gave Noah the following instructions in order to build his amazing ship, and that was a long time ago: Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. (Genesis 6:14-16)

Many have tried to determine the meaning of gopher (Heb גֹ֔פֶר (go·fer) wood, but no one really knows. Some have suggested cypress, but that is only conjecture. Whatever it was, since God selected that wood for Noah, it must have been the perfect wood to build a huge wooden ship which would be subject to tremendous forces and would remain on water for about one year.

God also told Noah to coat the Ark with pitch, both inside and outside. The Hebrew word is בַּכֹּֽפֶר (bak·ko·fer) which means “pitch”. Pitch is a very viscous resin which resembles coal tar, bitumen, or asphalt, and can be derived from plants (such as pine trees). It was a sealant meant to make the Ark watertight, and that is exactly how it functioned for Noah and all the occupants of the Ark.We need to bear in mind that God was overseeing this project, therefore there could not be any mistakes.

The dimensions of the Ark are given in cubits, and according to the information available on ancient measurements, the Hebrew long cubit of 20.4 inches must have been used by Noah. This is confirmed by Ark Encounter, where a replica of Noah’s Ark has been built in Kentucky according to that cubit. How Long Is a Cubit?.

Which means that the Ark was 510 feet long (nearly 1 ½ football fields long), 85 feet wide (slightly over half the width of a football field), and 51 feet high (higher than a five-storey house), or to round off the dimensions 500 x 85 x 50. This was bigger than the longest known wooden ship (or schooner) -- the Wyoming (1909-1924). While we do not know the shape of the ark, it had the dimensions of a true cargo ship (Noah’s Ark). Then we are told that a window of a cubit height (1.84 feet) was to be built as a skylight on the roof of the ark (presumably extending right across the roof), with a door on the side, and three storeys or levels within the Ark. The volume of the Ark was about 2.2 million cubit feet. We do not know if Noah hired any workers, or whether it was just him and his sons who did the work (which is more likely, since Noah was surrounded by evil men who would be scoffing at his supposedly fanciful project and his preaching).

Noah’s job was to save only air-breathing land animals, reptiles, and flying creatures (no fish, marine animals, or amphibians), as well as take in all the food suitable for his family and all the living creatures, in sufficient quantities to last for about 370 days: And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls [birds or flying creatures] after their kind, and of cattle [ הַבְּהֵמָה֙ (hab·be·he·mah) = animals] after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind [reptiles and other creeping things], two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Estimates for the number of creatures within the Ark vary considerably from less than 1,000 to over 100, 000. The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris gives an estimate of 35,000. No one really knows. Some say “every sort” (each kind) means genus, others say it means family, others believe it means species. What we do know is that all the creatures survived after spending a whole year on the Ark.

Noah’s Ark came to eventually rest on Mount Ararat (which is presently at the extreme eastern border of Turkey, and called Agri Dagh). There is a picture of a geological formation which was supposedly identified as Noah’s Ark by Turkish army captain Lihan Durupinar in 1959. Most scholars have dismissed it as simply a natural rock formation. And Ararat is about 10,000 feet above this site. Other reports of the discovery of Noah’s Ark have not been widely accepted either.
 
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Research on the cubit shows that it was about 20 inches, rather than 18 inches. In fact the Ark project in Kentucky used this cubit for reconstructing the Ark.

20 x 15 = 300/12 = 25 feet (according to the royal cubit). The water was 25 feet above the mountain tops, and then receded to allow the Ark to settle on mount Ararat (which is in Turkey). If we assume that Noah and his family lived somewhere in Mesopotamia, then the Ark traveled from there to Turkey before settling down. That is about 1,100 miles in a northwesterly direction.
Is that supposed to be a profound difference because give or take three feet isn’t much and depending on who saying it’s 18 or 20 inches I’ve seen both used. but as I mentioned it’s not much to sweat over.
 
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Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days . . Those were the
mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


The Hebrew word for "giants" in that passage is somewhat ambiguous. It not
only refers to people of unusual stature, but also to bullies, i.e. alpha males,
achievers, tyrants, and movers and shakers.


Historical examples would be men like Genghis Khan of Mongolia, and
Alexander the Great of Greece; Napoleon of France, Peter Alekseyevich
Romanov of Russia, Chandragupta Maurya of India, shogun Minamoto no
Yoritomo of Japan, conquistador Hernando Cortes of Spain, Timur: founder
of the Timurid dynasty, and Zahir-ud din Muhammad Babur: founder of the
Mughal dynasty that ruled the Indian subcontinent for over three centuries.


In other words: nephiyl doesn't necessarily indicate a special race of people;
but simply strong men whose ambition is to dominate others; even if they have
to completely destroy their culture and kill them all off to do it. (I think we
can see some of that willingness to step over the bones of others right now
in the power plays going on in the handling of the corona crisis.)


I would categorize Nimrod as a nephiyl. He was the first statesmen to
successfully unite the world; and it was such a solid unity that only divine
intervention could bring it down.


The phrase "men of renown" indicates that the nephil types got all the press:
they were the Man Of The Year back then while guys like Noah were
marginalized and went largely unnoticed.
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It doesn’t say the Nephalim were the offspring. The exact translation says there were giants before and after the sons of the extra-terrestrials (elohim actually means beings from the heavenlies) saw that the human women were beautiful and took them and impregnated them. Their offspring were the men of renown, mighty men. If that doesn’t read like Greek mythology then you need to read it again. The demigods like Hercules? That is exactly what it says.
 
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Like I said,

You believe the way you do. I will believe the way I do

You go ahead and breath in a who teaspoon of water, Make sure it all gets into your lungs, ie take a deep deep breath

Do this, And you can prove me wrong

otherwise, i will go with what medical professionals have been saying since at least the early 80s, which is when I first heard it.
that is easy run hot water in a sink and cover your head with a towel you will get plenty of water into your lungs.

what did you hear someone got sick from water that got into their lungs and that had bacteria, viruse or fungi in it. you have no idea what you saying about water in the lungs and why people get Pneumonia it is a infection of the lungs not caused directly because a teaspoon of water is in the lungs that is ignorant.

I’ve had plenty of water in my lungs I never got Pneumonia.

you say I am always disagreeing you are 100 times worse then me on that.
 
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that is easy run hot water in a sink and cover your head with a towel you will get plenty of water into your lungs.

what did you hear someone got sick from water that got into their lungs and that had bacteria, viruse or fungi in it. you have no idea what you saying about water in the lungs and why people get Pneumonia it is a infection of the lungs not caused directly because a teaspoon of water is in the lungs that is ignorant.

I’ve had plenty of water in my lungs I never got Pneumonia.

you say I am always disagreeing you are 100 times worse then me on that.
You missed the whole point of what I said.. You think if I do these things it proves you right?

Putting a towel over your head is not the same of taking a tablespoon of water in inhaling it whole. So please. Stop

Its ok. I am done trying to explain it to you. Good day sir.. Thanks for the conversation.
 

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Businesslike works much better when it's relevant. :)
I get in that mode when I feel like I'm fixin to have to take on all comers .. It's nothing personal, kinda like a game .. I'll be a good sport and usually never draw dirty first blood .. I used to love to play ''bull in the ring'' , you get in the middle and the team gets in a circle around you numbered then the coach calls as many numbers as it takes to run knock you out of the ring .. If you were offended it wasn't my intent :)
 
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You missed the whole point of what I said.. You think if I do these things it proves you right?

Putting a towel over your head is not the same of taking a tablespoon of water in inhaling it whole. So please. Stop

Its ok. I am done trying to explain it to you. Good day sir.. Thanks for the conversation.
It’s ok also if that is what you want, I’m going to flight mode any how, cya
 

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It doesn’t say the Nephalim were the offspring.
Everything does not have to be stated explicitly. It is implied in Genesis 6 that the Nephilim were the offspring of the unlawful union of angels (appearing as men) and having intercourse with human women. "Nephilim" and "giants" are interchangeable terms. The point to note is the connection between the "sons of God" (angels) and the Nephilim, since the "mighty men" were also the Nephilim.

There were giants* [הַנְּפִלִ֞ים (han-nə-p̄i-lîm)] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:4)

*Brown-Driver-Briggs
נְפִלִים noun masculine plural giants, according to ᵐ5 γίγαντες so ᵑ6 ᵑ9; הַנְּפִלִים Genesis 6:4 (J)

Book of Enoch (chapter 7) -- this book is non-canonical
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. 2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children...

11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants, 12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; 13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; 14. And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood. 15. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.

The giant Goliath was "six cubits and a span" which would be about 10 1/2 feet. So 300 cubits seems to be an exaggeration.