Is Genesis History?

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JamOn said:
it was much faster from glacier flows.
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Yes exactly, catastrophic Feet per second would be required to create the Grand Canyon. I use to design sprinkler systems that was all based on PSI pounds per square inch of force. Even drip irrigation requires 25 psi.
 
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Yes exactly, catastrophic Feet per second would be required to create the Grand Canyon. I use to design sprinkler systems that was all based on PSI pounds per square inch of force. Even drip irrigation requires 25 psi.
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Yes so you know as well running water at 25 psi over the ground will erode the ground and create a trench the amount of time and speed has a impact on the how fast it erodes the dirt and dept of the trench if I’m not mistaken.
 
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Yes so you know as well running water at 25 psi over the ground will erode the ground and create a trench the amount of time and speed has a impact on the how fast it erodes the dirt and dept of the trench if I’m not mistaken.
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it gets deeper if the soil has a place to flow to. If not, it just builds a mound (mountain) around the point of water contact.
 
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One thing I’d say is some point to the Grand Canyon as proof of a global flood, and I think the Canyon could have been formed when the dry land appeared so that isn’t proof in my opinion.
 
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biker said:
it gets deeper if the soil has a place to flow to. If not, it just builds a mound (mountain) around the point of water contact.
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Like a lake or something or rows of eroded trench from the exit point?
 
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Blain said:
see that is interesting I don't think I have the brains to study it but it sounds fascinating
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Geology is interesting going back to James Hutton and Charles Lyell. Harvard professor Stephen Jay Gould tried to promote Punctuated Equilibrium, but he died fairly early in life from cancer so he did not get very far with his effort.

The main thing is there is no conflict between science and the Bible. They do not contradict each other. That is all that anyone needs to know. We are all individuals and we all have our own understanding. The day will come when Jesus is going to gather us all together. Then we will have perfect understanding.
 
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JamOn said:
Like a lake or something or rows of eroded trench from the exit point?
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Yes!

Continual water flow does not stop. So if it keeps filling up, it will eventually catch the building soil on its sides and then will create its own revine.
 
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biker said:
Yes!

Continual water flow does not stop. So if it keeps filling up, it will eventually catch the building soil on its sides and then will create its own revine.
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The power of water can do quite the amazing things rather in short duration or long I think.
 
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biker said:
Yes!

Continual water flow does not stop. So if it keeps filling up, it will eventually catch the building soil on its sides and then will create its own revine.
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Wow what a bunch of nerds :cool: but cringe worthy puns aside this explains a lot but I am still confused about dinosaur bones. I mean science shows they loved like millions of years ago or something but I have heard Christians say they lived on earth but were wiped out by the flood
 
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JohnR7 said:
They support catastrophe theory in comparison to gradualism. They teach gradualism in the universities so that leaves science at a disadvantage when they have to deal with catastrophic events. The Oroville Dam crisis is an example of a situation that shows us the need to understand catastrophic theory.
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So was the Mount St. Helens volcano.
 
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Science knows this but they get athiest million dollar grants. Many of their answers reflect who is paying them, not what the truth is.
 
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When we study the meaning of the Hebrew letters we see that God did speak the cosmos into existence. He spoke the natural laws into existence.
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And I knew that without knowing Hebrew:)
 
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And I knew that without knowing Hebrew:)
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There are 22 letters and they are symbolic as well as having a mathematical value. A stands for the head of an ox. B represents a tent or dwelling, C represents a camel & includes commerce, D represents a door and so on. Simple enough a child can understand yet so advanced the most advanced people can not fully grasp the meaning. If you begin with B as a tent, today people live in high rise apartment, also a tent includes the tabernacle. When they entered the promised land their dwelling went from a simple tent to a permanent building with wood, brick and mortar. This is also the incarnation and God's desire to dwell with man. Going from simple to complex like this is pretty easy to be accurate and stay on track. When Jesus says He is the door or the gate this is all represented by one simple letter in the Hebrew. When we have a gateway to a city we have judges that determine what can enter in or what can leave the city.
 
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So was the Mount St. Helens volcano.
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I had a dream once when I was a child where I was falling in the bottomless pit. Recently I realized that this in the physical is a volcano.
 
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JohnR7 said:
There are 22 letters and they are symbolic as well as having a mathematical value. A stands for the head of an ox. B represents a tent or dwelling, C represents a camel & includes commerce, D represents a door and so on. Simple enough a child can understand yet so advanced the most advanced people can not fully grasp the meaning. If you begin with B as a tent, today people live in high rise apartment, also a tent includes the tabernacle. When they entered the promised land their dwelling went from a simple tent to a permanent building with wood, brick and mortar. This is also the incarnation and God's desire to dwell with man. Going from simple to complex like this is pretty easy to be accurate and stay on track. When Jesus says He is the door or the gate this is all represented by one simple letter in the Hebrew. When we have a gateway to a city we have judges that determine what can enter in or what can leave the city.
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I've studied some Hebrew and Hebrew thought (vs Greek thought) but I also know enough about God that if He wants the Gentiles to know Him, He is fully capable of communicating in Greek, English, Japanese or whatever language is needed. He chose Paul, a Hebrew, who wrote in Greek to reach a Gentile world. Besides, He also gave us the Author of the Scriptures to aide us in it's understanding as well as the new birth.
 
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I've studied some Hebrew and Hebrew thought (vs Greek thought) but I also know enough about God that if He wants the Gentiles to know Him, He is fully capable of communicating in Greek, English, Japanese or whatever language is needed.
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That door swings both ways. If we want to fully know God we can study the ancient Hebrew language that they used before God confused the language at the Tower of Babel.
 
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JohnR7 said:
That door swings both ways. If we want to fully know God we can study the ancient Hebrew language that they used before God confused the language at the Tower of Babel.
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Why? In order to understand Ancient Hebrew it still needs to be filtered through modern English thought.
Scripture is sufficient along with communion with God through Jesus Christ. We are to have a heart like David...one after God's own heart.
Of course there is 'knowing God' and there is 'knowing about God'. Perhaps you are speaking of the latter? It impresses me not as the early Hebrews knew ancient Hebrew but it still didn't help them during those 40 years in the wilderness.
 
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JohnR7 said:
There are 22 letters and they are symbolic as well as having a mathematical value. A stands for the head of an ox. B represents a tent or dwelling, C represents a camel & includes commerce, D represents a door and so on. Simple enough a child can understand yet so advanced the most advanced people can not fully grasp the meaning. If you begin with B as a tent, today people live in high rise apartment, also a tent includes the tabernacle. When they entered the promised land their dwelling went from a simple tent to a permanent building with wood, brick and mortar. This is also the incarnation and God's desire to dwell with man. Going from simple to complex like this is pretty easy to be accurate and stay on track. When Jesus says He is the door or the gate this is all represented by one simple letter in the Hebrew. When we have a gateway to a city we have judges that determine what can enter in or what can leave the city.
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Yes that is exactly what I love about the hebrew language I just wish I had the mental capacity to be able to read it. I love the deep meaning everything about that language from the letter meaning of that letter the symolism and even the very sound the words make have a deep meaning to them
 
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