Catholicism vs Protestantism

And what is Catholic mean by no salvation apart catholic?

This is a quote from one of vatican publication

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1. A brief history of the impact of "Nostra aetate" (No.4) over the last 50 years

1. "Nostra aetate" (No.4) is rightly counted among those documents of the Second Vatican Council which have been able to effect, in a particularly striking manner, a new direction of the Catholic Church since then. This shift in the relations of the Church with the Jewish people and Judaism becomes apparent only when we recall that there were previously great reservations on both sides, in part because the

history of Christianity has been seen to be discriminatory against Jews, even including attempts at forced conversion (cf. "Evangelii gaudium", 248).


The background of this complex connection consists inter alia in an asymmetrical relationship: as a minority the Jews were often confronted by and dependent upon a Christian majority. The dark and terrible shadow of the Shoah over Europe during the Nazi period led the Church to reflect anew on her bond with the Jewish people.

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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...i_doc_20151210_ebraismo-nostra-aetate_en.html

So vatican admit about discrimination and force conversion in the past, I am not make the story up

Than read this

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...i_doc_20151210_ebraismo-nostra-aetate_en.html


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because the history of Christianity has been seen to be discriminatory against Jews, even including attempts at forced conversion (cf. "Evangelii

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And some years ago I talk to ex catholic from Poland, she said when she young, she went to Catholic Church, and she heard story that Jews kill Jesus, Jews kill Christian etc, the story to stimulus hatred against Jews.

Where do they differ and why?

Do both lead to salvation? Why or why not?

How should we treat each other?

It doesn't say in the Bible, if so I believe Luke wrote it

I don't know. Maybe Peter had a successor, maybe God has continued to call apostles.


I can accept the possibility that God continued to lead the church through councils of the apostles and elders like the one done in Acts 15. Or not.

Luke can't include every detail
Acts 28: 30 Paul stayed two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who were coming to him.

Who came to see him? Was the soldier there at the same time, or did the soldier wait outside by the door? Was the same soldier there 24 hours a day?

Where do they differ and why?
Do both lead to salvation? Why or why not?
How should we treat each other?

And the formal church may not the body of Christ.

Not because the organization register as a church mean the body of Christ. 2 or 3 people worship together with honest doctrine is the body of Christ

If we reside where we are the only Christian and we worship Jesus, we are member of the body

The questions are then what is the body and how do we know they are the body?

I think what they say is that there is no salvation apart from the church, which is the body of Christ.


I think they mean that the body of Christ is involved whenever a person is saved. How that works with people who have never heard the name of Jesus is a mystery.

True!
1 Corinthians 12: 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

Beyond that, there are different views about authority structures.


Catholics say that there is a single authority structure made up of elders and overseers (priests and bishops), with the Pope being the leader of the overseers.


Eastern Orthodox, I think, also have elders and overseers, but the structure basically ends at the national Church level, with the overseer of Constantinople being the "first among equals".


Some Protestants end the authority structure with the denomination, such as Presbyterian or Methodist. Others limit the structure to the local congregation, still others acknowledge no authority structure, every individual is on their own.

Not "all nations", "many nations".
Abraham was visible, and you can see today the Nations that he fathered. A visible father of visible Nations

In addition to that, he is also the father of those who live by faith. And yes, that fatherhood is unseen.

Yes we should. If I believed that the grace was given in fullness to our dear sister in the lord Mary exclusively and a unknown remnant to all others. And after death (no life) somehow or other I would suffer somehow for another unknown amount of time .

I would think someone shedding the light of the gospel could give them a hope and the idea of patrons saints as workers with familial spirits would be driven out by the living words of the law found in the Bible (sola scriptura) The bible calls it a abomination

If I believed in the foundation of necromancy worshiping or what they call venerating removing themselves from the idea of worship . Which is simply one of the manners as venerable. Those who lord it over another beliefs. They must seek their approval.

2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the "abominations" that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.

Isaiah 8 builds on that doctrine that exposed necromancy . Rachel hid them image idols (teraphim as household family gods ) Isaiah 8 uses the word "seek" twice. The first necromancy seeking after the dead. And the second seek, seek after God who gives life to those dead in their trespasses and sin as the fullness of Grace . Not a remnant as Catholics must believe.

Isaiah 8:18-20 King James Version (KJV) Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no "light "in them.

I would suggest offering them light of the gospel .Not a remnant the whole.

There's quite a lot here for me to digest, I'm not sure if I get all of it.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying you don't agree with praying to Saints and you believe in the sufficiency of Scripture alone.

I have a Roman Catholic background, but I started attending a non denominational bible based Church where the elders try to model the Church on the early apostolic Church. So it's very different from the RCC, where my priest never encouraged me to study the Bible. He said it was his duty to explain the scriptures to us and if the congregation started to study in private, we would all arrive at different conclusions and it would cause division in the Church.

Most people stick to the denomination they were born into, for the sake of harmony. I had no idea how much opposition I would face from my family, friends, relatives and work colleges. They say I've been brainwashed, but the more I study the Bible the more everything makes sense. Christ did say that He didn't come to bring peace into the world, but He came as a sword to divide families.

The parish priest gave me a book about the mainline denominations, it gives a brief history of each one and explains how they started. It was interesting to see that each denomination was founded by a man, except for the RCC which was supposedly founded or started by Christ Himself.

My family thought that the book would wake me up and make me come back to the mother Church, but they were shocked when I refused. My dad took my NKJV Bible to the priest, and he took it and gave my dad a "Good News Bible" as an authorized replacement. I have since purchased another NKJV and I have no plans of returning to the mother Church.

I believe that there are saved people in every denomination, my reasoning is that God deals with individuals. So we're not saved because we belong to a specific denomination.

Yep, but Protestant not claim their leader is peter successor

I haven't stayed updated for the last few pages so I will say this though. I doubt anyone is 100% correct in how to respond. We have as Protestants the Bible and Holy Spirit as the authority. With that being said there are many scriptures about warning and defending against false teachings, warnings against the legalistic system of religion, and is quite clear salvation comes as grace through faith alone. That salvation comes from faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

If the RCC hold to salvation comes from Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior but has in my view many unbiblical doctrines. Then in my opinion I believe God is the only one who can sort out the hearts of the RCC crowd.

I'm sure there are Jesus followers or hearts who are truly after Jesus but are lost in the sea of centuries worth of false dogma and traditions.

I believe we pray for them, correct when necessary in a friendly loving manner, always make more of Jesus in the discussion than pope's, father's, priests, etc. But we also examine the fruit. Is God working in the individual even within the jumbled theology?

Unbelievers are treated in a manner where we know they are not believers so they are not held to the same standards as believers. A believer on the other hand Paul tells us to correct, rebuke, and in some extreme cases to kick out the church if unrepentant sin is causing problems. So it is according to how you define the golden rule. Scripture tells us to correct, defend, rebuke, or even weed out the problem. A sick and contagious sheep could infect and destroy the flock. Just as unrepentant sin and false teachings can poison the church as it restricts its credibility in the eyes of unbelievers.

Sometimes a Shepherd has to protect the flock and that doesn't end with treating the wolf how it wants to be treated. The wolf being the influence of Satan just as Jesus sternly told Peter, " Get behind me Satan!" As Peter was trying to stop the will of God. Someone in our church could be a Peter or some could be a Judas. One from ignorance while the other in purposeful intentions. The flock must be protected either way. No one said being a leader would make you popular. In fact most in scripture was martyred.

If you describe the body of Christ as the catholic church then my answer is absolutely.

A man becomes part of the body of Christ by being born again by grace through faith according to the word of God. This is evidenced by the Holy Spirit witnessing with his spirit that he is a child of God.

No rituals no sacred relics and no traditions are necessary to be saved from sin. Gods grace is given to those who believe and trust Christ to save them from their sins. Christ saves because He is able and will to receive all who come to Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yep I heard Catholic believe Jesus only establish one church and that is rcc, that mean other church is not Christ church, but now they seem to change their mind they start promote one world religion, to make every body accept that concept, they say as long as you believe trinity, that to make Protestant happy, than to make Jews happy, they say Judaism is not other religion, and to make Islam happy they say Islam is include in the plan of salvation and Islam adore or share the same god with catholic

All of this is not honest, they do it to prepare one world religion, to support one world government

The end game is one world government, that antichrist government

Yes, terminology can be difficult. I think Catholics say that everyone with a trinitarian baptism is part of the church. That would include nearly all Protestants. And there is only one Church. And church is synonymous with Body of Christ.


The Catholics would go on to say that the Catholic hierarchy is the visible instrument that God uses to lead the church, the body of Christ.


Your description of the details of salvation is based, I think, on your belief that God reveals his truth to each person individually through his holy spirit as they read the Bible.

You might be interested to know that that is actually my position too, if I have to pick one. However, I have not been able to find that position stated in the Bible.


Are you willing to consider with me the possibility that maybe, just maybe, God reveals his truth to a group?