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Actually, the Daniel Ch 9 prophecy is prefaced by the statement:
“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city "
The content definitely includes Israel, one way or another, including any and all peace accords (of which there will be many....just like any time before WW1 and WW2). Yes, the AC makes peace with many (including Israel), ("And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week"). This due to many ongoing conflicts . The fact that the AC ends sacrifice and offering is an act of war and breach of any and likely MANY peace covenants.
“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city "
The content definitely includes Israel, one way or another, including any and all peace accords (of which there will be many....just like any time before WW1 and WW2). Yes, the AC makes peace with many (including Israel), ("And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week"). This due to many ongoing conflicts . The fact that the AC ends sacrifice and offering is an act of war and breach of any and likely MANY peace covenants.
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Sorry if I insulted you. Only those who believe in a Pre Tribulation resurrection believe that there will be seven years of Tribulation.
Basically pre tribbers believe that there will be a resurrection both before the antichrist appears on earth and before seven years of tribulation. They also believe that the saints that will be persecuted by the antichrist are folks who will be "Left Behind" after the resurrection who convert to Christianity after the resurrection happens, but all those who believed before the resurrection will have already been taken up. So when you stated that there will be a period of tribulation that will last for 7 years.
Your statement. -"The completed BODY of CHRIST, when the man of intrigue breaks the covenant, those unbelieving Jews during the first half of the 7 YEAR TRIB, will realize their mistake and will die for their testimony...."
No other end time doctrine believes in a 7 year period of Tribulation except those that believe in the Pre Tribulation doctrinal belief .
S I didn't assume anything about where you stand or what your position is on end time beliefs. Your words told me that you believe as the Pre Tribulationists believe.. Again my apologies I was not trying to insult. Just reacting to your statement.
Basically pre tribbers believe that there will be a resurrection both before the antichrist appears on earth and before seven years of tribulation. They also believe that the saints that will be persecuted by the antichrist are folks who will be "Left Behind" after the resurrection who convert to Christianity after the resurrection happens, but all those who believed before the resurrection will have already been taken up. So when you stated that there will be a period of tribulation that will last for 7 years.
Your statement. -"The completed BODY of CHRIST, when the man of intrigue breaks the covenant, those unbelieving Jews during the first half of the 7 YEAR TRIB, will realize their mistake and will die for their testimony...."
No other end time doctrine believes in a 7 year period of Tribulation except those that believe in the Pre Tribulation doctrinal belief .
S I didn't assume anything about where you stand or what your position is on end time beliefs. Your words told me that you believe as the Pre Tribulationists believe.. Again my apologies I was not trying to insult. Just reacting to your statement.
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Please explain Revelation 6..
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I believe that many christians will be killed (martyred)...and I also believe that there will be some Jews who will come in at the last hour...
I believe the above, as per Revelation 6, is talking about the completed numbers in CHRIST, those who die for their testimony...those who will believe during this time, will also be killed for their testimony...those who did not love their lives, even to the death...but held to the testimony of JESUS...
As is written, blessed are those who die in the LORD from now on...yes their ¨works¨ shall proceed them....
All these, jew and gentile, all who believe are those who have a part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I believe that many christians will be killed (martyred)...and I also believe that there will be some Jews who will come in at the last hour...
I believe the above, as per Revelation 6, is talking about the completed numbers in CHRIST, those who die for their testimony...those who will believe during this time, will also be killed for their testimony...those who did not love their lives, even to the death...but held to the testimony of JESUS...
As is written, blessed are those who die in the LORD from now on...yes their ¨works¨ shall proceed them....
All these, jew and gentile, all who believe are those who have a part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION
I can´t come to a conclusion, for I also know this...John was called up to Heaven prior to these things befalling the inhabitants of the earth...and as we should remember, John, was the beloved...and this is symbolic of HIS CHURCH, HIS BRIDE....
His perspective and viewpoint was from Heaven...
Come up here and I will show you what must happen after...
His perspective and viewpoint was from Heaven...
Come up here and I will show you what must happen after...
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Yes you are correct. But we need to remember that millions and millions of believers have been killed during the last 2000 years. The all died for their testimony and they all did not love their own lives even to the death. So even before the coming period of Tribulation gets here there are already who knows (God knows) how many souls who have died who are under the throne of God crying out and saying
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
I believe that those souls under the throne of God are all of the saints who have already suffered great tribulation and died because of the name of Christ. The early church suffered great tribulation over a period of 300 years off and on again at the hands of the Romans.
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellows servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I believe that the "fellow servants" spoken of in Rev. 6:11 are us who are living in this day and time. millions of us will be persecuted and killed during a period of great tribulation in the future and as we die we also will be gathered under the throne of God until the time of our persecution should be fulfilled.
How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
I believe that those souls under the throne of God are all of the saints who have already suffered great tribulation and died because of the name of Christ. The early church suffered great tribulation over a period of 300 years off and on again at the hands of the Romans.
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellows servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I believe that the "fellow servants" spoken of in Rev. 6:11 are us who are living in this day and time. millions of us will be persecuted and killed during a period of great tribulation in the future and as we die we also will be gathered under the throne of God until the time of our persecution should be fulfilled.
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John does not represent the church in Rev 4:1 and there is no scripture to prove that he was a representative of the church. The idea that Rev 4:1 represents the resurrection of the church before the very events that John had visions about is a made up, non biblical doctrinal belief created by those who would perpetuate the Pre Tribulation resurrection doctrinal belief. Proof that it is a false belief is that there are no scriptures to re enforce that belief. The Apostle John lived for many years after he finished the book of Revelations.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Yes but the physical body of John did not go up into heaven. He was translated up to heaven in the spirit and he didn't stay in heaven, he was sent back. Otherwise he would never have been able to write down on parchment his visions. John was imprisoned on the island of Potmos when he had his visions and wrote the book of Revelation.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Some believe he died of natural causes. However no one knoews if he died on Potmos or was released from prison and died some place else.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
No flesh and blood can not go into heaven.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Yes but the physical body of John did not go up into heaven. He was translated up to heaven in the spirit and he didn't stay in heaven, he was sent back. Otherwise he would never have been able to write down on parchment his visions. John was imprisoned on the island of Potmos when he had his visions and wrote the book of Revelation.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Some believe he died of natural causes. However no one knoews if he died on Potmos or was released from prison and died some place else.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
No flesh and blood can not go into heaven.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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There are no physical bodies in Heaven sir...which is why the souls under the altar are under the altar and are given a white garment and told to wait...
I did not, nor did I say that Johnś physical body went up into Heaven...
Like all things, GOD shows us what will occur through signs and visions and visible things so that we can understand HIS HIGHER and HIDDEN and INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS that we can not be understood without HIM giving us some sort of sign...
John was given what he was given, but his command to come up here, and see what must come afterwards is NOT for John only...
I did not, nor did I say that Johnś physical body went up into Heaven...
Like all things, GOD shows us what will occur through signs and visions and visible things so that we can understand HIS HIGHER and HIDDEN and INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS that we can not be understood without HIM giving us some sort of sign...
John was given what he was given, but his command to come up here, and see what must come afterwards is NOT for John only...