Not By Works

Only God knows a persons fate. We have but a hope, a hope based on the promises of Jesus Christ.

We were saved in hope. If we see what we hope for, that isn’t hope. Who hopes for what they already see? Romans 8:24

I do not see my salvation, I humbly hope for my salvation.

OSAS believers disregard this hope and replace it with a surmised notion that salvation is predestined personally for them.

I too was once on their side of the argument, being told to simply ignore any logical hole presented since it couldn't not be true and probably from satan. It was that flawed attitude that made me look closer into what and why I believed. OSAS followers are merely ignorant but most hardcore followers are just stubborn.

Most OSAS simply want the fear of falling short before the Judgement Seat to go away, willing to accept the weakest of notions in order to sleep better at night. The truth be damned.

If you believe your own quote:

"NO sin leads to the loss of salvation and only one leads to no salvation"

then you do not understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I don't know if I've missed it or not. As I said, I know from my perspective it certainly seems like I am saved but the question is whether I actually believe it in my heart. I know that my heart deceives me at times, and I know that though I recognize the truth of Jesus' death burial and resurrection mentally I do not know whether I truly believe it. There are moments where it is absolutely, 100% certain and others where I question whether such miracles can occur. God has moved mountains at the sound of my voice, and yet still I question whether He is capable of raising a man from the dead. In the end, God will be glorified and I will face a final judgment. Until that day I have hope and confidence, but it is not absolute.

You can know now and not just be hoping.

If you are hoping and not sure then you are not fully persuaded yet.

Jesus gives salvation to those who trust, believe, have faith (heart and mind) in Him for it...it is a gift .... there is no working for it.

When will you be ready to stop working because it is only when you do that you will be ready to receive.

Think on it... it is scriptural.

You are much more honest and clear minded about this issue then the OSAS followers here. You have sincerely read the scriptures and have simply acknowledged what is written. Do not be afraid to speak the truth. Most OSAS simply want the fear of falling short before the Judgement Seat to go away, willing to accept the weakest of notions in order to sleep better at night. The truth be damned.

how?

There's a lot more than simple persuasion. It is a gift, but it is given to His children. I am fully convinced that God will give it to those who believe the gospel. I just don't know if I am truly capable of such, and even if I were I'm not sure I could accept it. I have been guilty of great hubrus, thinking I was capable of a task greater than Jesus in that I at one point was determined to go to hell for someone that I loved. If in the end it's revealed I am one of His children, the rejoicing I do now in part will be made complete. If it's revealed that when I believed I had committed the unpardonable sin I truly had, God's justice will be revealed upon me. Still, I will obey. Because my obedience is not contingent on my salvation it is because He is the only voice that has truly proven itself worthy of listening to. The only one whose council has never led me wrong.

come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Amen! Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Unlike the english word "hope," the New Testament word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope.

Definition: expectation, hope
Usage: hope, expectation, trust, confidence.

If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope.

I see that you like to attack and judge OSAS believers. I also see that you have an uncertain hope. Now why don't you explain to the rest of us what YOU believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the Gospel? (Romans 1:16) Was your previous avatar name on Christian Chat DJ2?

come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Sounds like needing to be sinless to be saved maybe?

he was here before. let me guess. Banned?

That's what I'm suspecting.

I see that you like to attack and judge OSAS believers. I also see that you have an uncertain hope. Now why don't you explain to the rest of us what YOU believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the Gospel? (Romans 1:16) Was your previous avatar name on Christian Chat DJ2?

Now that you mention it...I remember someone with a very similar style

You are much more honest and clear minded about this issue then the OSAS followers here. You have sincerely read the scriptures and have simply acknowledged what is written. Do not be afraid to speak the truth. Most OSAS simply want the fear of falling short before the Judgement Seat to go away, willing to accept the weakest of notions in order to sleep better at night. The truth be damned.

I see that you like to attack and judge OSAS believers. I also see that you have an uncertain hope

DJ2 has a profile. but when you try to open it you get this

This user's profile is not available.

which usually means you have been banned.

Hopefully the mods are watching

Basically the same name and the exact same avatar picture.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...quired-to-be-baptized-in-water.154800/page-69

There is also a DJ3 with the same avatar

Someone is replicating.