Jesus as King?

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John146

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In my studies, The Bible clearly states that Jesus is not King yet, He is not currently ruling on the throne of David. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for believers, acting as our high priest. His throne is future. Jesus is not currently ruling this earth.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
 

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On His cross Pilate had a sign that said that Jesus was the king of the Jews. In three languages.
 

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Fundamentally, the idea of Jesus being King of kings and Lord of lords means that there is no higher authority. The phrase king of kings is used in Scripture six times. Once, the title is applied to God the Father (1 Timothy 6:15), and twice to the Lord Jesus (Revelation 17:14; 19:16). The other three (Ezra 7:12; Ezekiel 26:7; Daniel 2:37) refer to either Artaxerxes or Nebuchadnezzar, kings who used the phrase to express their absolute sovereignty over their respective realms (Persia and Babylon). The phrase lord of lords is used by itself in Scripture twice and refers to God the Father (Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:3).

In Revelation 19:16 Jesus is given the full title “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 17:14 switches it: “Lord of lords and King of kings”). The title indicates someone who has the power to exercise absolute dominion over all His realm. In the case of the Lord Jesus, the realm is all of creation. In John’s vision, Jesus is returning to judge the world and establish His earthly kingdom, as He predicted in Mark 13:26.

When Jesus is called “King of kings and Lord of lords,” it means that, in the end, all other rulers will be conquered or abolished, and He alone will reign supreme as King and Lord of all the earth. There is no power, no king, and no lord who can oppose Him and win. source
 

John146

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Fundamentally, the idea of Jesus being King of kings and Lord of lords means that there is no higher authority. The phrase king of kings is used in Scripture six times. Once, the title is applied to God the Father (1 Timothy 6:15), and twice to the Lord Jesus (Revelation 17:14; 19:16). The other three (Ezra 7:12; Ezekiel 26:7; Daniel 2:37) refer to either Artaxerxes or Nebuchadnezzar, kings who used the phrase to express their absolute sovereignty over their respective realms (Persia and Babylon). The phrase lord of lords is used by itself in Scripture twice and refers to God the Father (Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:3).

In Revelation 19:16 Jesus is given the full title “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 17:14 switches it: “Lord of lords and King of kings”). The title indicates someone who has the power to exercise absolute dominion over all His realm. In the case of the Lord Jesus, the realm is all of creation. In John’s vision, Jesus is returning to judge the world and establish His earthly kingdom, as He predicted in Mark 13:26.

When Jesus is called “King of kings and Lord of lords,” it means that, in the end, all other rulers will be conquered or abolished, and He alone will reign supreme as King and Lord of all the earth. There is no power, no king, and no lord who can oppose Him and win. source
Amen, I agree. Scripture states that currently, Jesus is prince and Savior. He is prince, a King in waiting.
 
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In my studies, The Bible clearly states that Jesus is not King yet, He is not currently ruling on the throne of David. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for believers, acting as our high priest. His throne is future. Jesus is not currently ruling this earth.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
If Jesus were ruling this earth then it would be His way on earth and no other way for the Bible says He rules with a rod of iron, not a tin foil magic wand, for there is still wars, and people sinning.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

When the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth when the New Age Christ establishes a peace treaty in the Middle East then sudden destruction comes upon them.

Which the coronavirus will bring them that much closer for China wants to help America, and America wants to help North Korea, and Russia wants to help Italy, and the ball will be rolling.

President Trump said America laid of path towards peace and security for the world, and wants United Nations to take a more active role in the world, and for the nations to step it up and work for peace in the world.

And is pushing for a peace treaty in Israel, which the Prime Minister of Israel said that Trump is the greatest friend they ever had in the White House.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Which it is God's purpose to gather all nations together, the wicked, to go against Jerusalem, the Jews, which the peace treaty will cause all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land.

When they attack Jerusalem, the Jews, Jesus will come back with the saints and defeat the world, and save the Jews.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Then it will be Jesus' way and no other way for He shall rule with a rod of iron, and the heathen that God spared have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship Jesus.

And the heathen shall not acknowledge any other god or religious figure but Jesus.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus came to fulfill the law which includes fulfilling all the roles of Israel, king, high priest, prophet, and whatever else He had to fulfill and it must be done on earth.

But Jesus has not fulfilled the role of King on earth yet for He came as a humble servant.

That is what the millennial reign is about Jesus ruling on earth, and restoring the kingdom to the Jews, and then after the millennial reign heaven and earth shall pass, and there will be a new heaven and earth.

The Bible says there is one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The Bible says that Jesus sits on the right hand of God.

Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

God's right hand represents power, salvation, and wisdom.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool.

Which Paul said the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, and the Son shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

Jesus being at the right hand of God is a temporary role UNTIL all His enemies are conquered, and the saints are with Him, for then He does not need to exercise throne of power anymore.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until all His enemies are conquered, and then Son shall submit to God the Father, stop exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand, that God may be all in all.

So Jesus is not sitting next to the Father on a throne for there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on it, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

And Jesus told Philip if he has seen Him, he has seen the Father.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus who is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, for God is only going to show us one visible manifestation.
 

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Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? Mt.2:1-2

Wise men. :)
 
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In my studies, The Bible clearly states that Jesus is not King yet, He is not currently ruling on the throne of David. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father
My KJV Bible claims Stephen said He was standing upon the right hand, not seated.

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus [standing on the right hand] of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man [standing on the right hand] of God.
 
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In my studies, The Bible clearly states that Jesus is not King yet, He is not currently ruling on the throne of David. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for believers, acting as our high priest. His throne is future. Jesus is not currently ruling this earth.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Scripture plainly says Jesus rules from David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above, if you care to look into it.
 
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Amen, I agree. Scripture states that currently, Jesus is prince and Savior. He is prince, a King in waiting.
This is not true. He is God and has always ruled the world.
 
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John146

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Yes, at that moment the Lord was ready to return if the Jewish leaders would have received Stephen’s preaching. Instead, they rejected it and stoned him. The Lord sat back dow.
 

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Scripture plainly says Jesus rules from David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above, if you care to look into it.
Where? David’s throne is an earthly throne. David never ruled from heaven. His throne was on Zion in Jerusalem.
 

John146

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This is not true. He is God and has always ruled the world.
Jesus is a prince and Savior. He is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His people. His is not governing the earth yet. He is as prince, a king in waiting.

Acts 5
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 

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You must not have included many passages in you studies beginning with Isaiah 9;6 where we are taught thta the child born to the virgin would be called God Almighty, Everlasting Father, Comforter, Counselor, Ruler of Peace and more.

You must not have seen where in the Old Testament Yahweh says such things as "I am your Husband, I am your Redeemer, and I AM YOUR KING."

Study more, then show what your studies show, we are awaiting.God bless the fruit of your study.
 
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Jesus is a prince and Savior. He is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His people. His is not governing the earth yet. He is as prince, a king in waiting.

Acts 5
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

Notice the Kingdom is now before the resurrection on the last day. While David remains buried.
 
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Where? David’s throne is an earthly throne. David never ruled from heaven. His throne was on Zion in Jerusalem.
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

The kingdom exists since Christ's first advent before the resurrection on the last day, while David sleeps with his fathers.

Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.

Peter says;

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:14–18 (KJV 1900)
 

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You must not have included many passages in you studies beginning with Isaiah 9;6 where we are taught thta the child born to the virgin would be called God Almighty, Everlasting Father, Comforter, Counselor, Ruler of Peace and more.

You must not have seen where in the Old Testament Yahweh says such things as "I am your Husband, I am your Redeemer, and I AM YOUR KING."

Study more, then show what your studies show, we are awaiting.God bless the fruit of your study.
Yes, great Jewish passages. Jesus could have been crowned King if the Jews would have received Him. They rejected Jesus and the cross, thus, He would go to the Gentiles concerning the message of the cross, not the earthly kingdom.

This has not happened yet. Jesus has not returned in all His glory.

Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 

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“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

Notice the Kingdom is now before the resurrection on the last day. While David remains buried.
The Davidic covenant established the throne of David eternally. This covenant created eternal security for the future of Israel. Historically, the seed was Solomon. Doctrinally, the seed is Jesus Christ who will reign from the throne of David from Zion in Jerusalem.
 

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The passages are from the Old Testament, not from the Judah that came into being.

If you knew what "jewish" truly means, you would not separate yourself from the term. It is quite plain you do not, otherwise you would know Jesus-Yeshua from the prophets and from the law for both pont to Him to those who are not blinded by the veil of Moses.
 
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The Davidic covenant established the throne of David eternally. This covenant created eternal security for the future of Israel. Historically, the seed was Solomon. Doctrinally, the seed is Jesus Christ who will reign from the throne of David from Zion in Jerusalem.
Earth is temporal. That's why Jesus now rules from David's Throne in heavenly Jerusalem. Did you know David's Throne is God's Throne?

“Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900)

“And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.” 1 Chronicles 28:5 (KJV 1900)

“Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the LORD thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.” 2 Chronicles 9:8 (KJV 1900)

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:” Revelation 22:1–3 (KJV 1900)