Not By Works

And that's what I'm saying........not a lot of godly people in the church today.

Salvation is free...and along the path of righteousness which the saved tread, when a saint comes under Holy Spirit conviction of sin yet refuses to repent of it, he proves that the low low cost of "free" has become too high a price to pay for eternal life. God's love is conditional, salvation is not.

I see no fruit in you..... why judge someone’s fruit when you have none?

...as long as you are still doing the believing you started out in.
All the promises are for those with present tense, uninterrupted believing, not for those who never believed or who used to believe.

Unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom of God.

Judge, you just stated that God’s grace is not a get out of jail free card and then you stated that it is a get out of jail free card.

On another note, there are no perfect people but there are more godly people in the church than ungodly people in the church. Besides, what your definition of godly?

If you hang in there and keep believing.

Your theology is horrible.
Time constraints have kept me from addressing it in full in the 'James' thread.
Your dual gospel is easily debunked.

Justification/salvation has ALWAYS been by faith.
The Covenant of faith existed before there was even any Israelites and the law, and the covenant of law can not in any way shape or form change or replace or nullify the Covenant made before it.

Of course I want to be righteous.
I love righteousness, don't you?
That's why God's grace in the forgiveness of my sins is so precious to me and why I cling to it.
It cleanses me of the unrighteousness I hate.
And His Spirit gives me the righteousness I long for.
Not just in a legal declaration of right standing with Him.
But in the righteousness of a holy life, too.
And where I fail that, I have His continuing forgiveness through my continuing faith to cleanse that failure away.

So many Christians think God's grace is a declaration of righteousness. The end.
They don't seem to seek or care about acting out God's righteousness in daily living and being righteous that way.
They make grace a license to NOT have to seek or care about that.
It's very discouraging to see that in the church today.
I'm not going to pretend not to know what the Bible says about those who do that.

If you hang in there and keep believing.

you hang in there

I've been saying this all along.
The BELIEVER--not the unbeliever, and not the person who has stopped believing--has the life that is eternal. The believer receives eternal life the moment he starts believing. This is not in dispute. What you disagree with is you have to continue that believing in order to continue to have what that believing lays hold of.


Matthew 18:21-35 dispels all myths that somehow 'gifts' can not be taken back:

32“...‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.” - Matthew 18:32-35

dispels all myths that somehow 'gifts' can not be taken back:

And that's what I'm saying........not a lot of godly people in the church today.

how about this - I do not care about Hebrews 3. yes, I said it, I mean it,
because Hebrews 3 is NOT a stand alone directive.

the Bible is to be taken as a whole. not chopped into pieces and theology be built around those pieces.

and, since Israel walked through a sea with walls of water on each side (or if was the reed sea, and the wall was 4 feet high, that is still impressive) and saw with there own eyes God's awesome presence descend on Sinai, yet STILL complained and doubted, that would indicate a lack of a strong inner belief.

Amen! Jude 1:5 - Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who (stopped believing? NO) did not believe.

We are either in Christ =Saved
We are either out of Christ ( Dead ) unsaved

This judges thinks we can flip flop in and out...

He does not believe the words of our LORD when Jesus said in John 6:37
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

God keeps us , we cannot keep ourselves , if we could , then everyday we would lose our Salvation...

Great is His faithfulness Amen...
...xox...

Amen! Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Your theology is horrible.

If you hang in there and keep believing.

One act of believing that continues uninterrupted to the very end is sufficient to save eternally. All the promises of salvation and eternal life are to those who presently believe, not to those who never believed, or who have stopped believing.

]One act of believing that continues uninterrupted to the very end is sufficient to save eternally.

But it is worth repeating that the pot may be calling the kettle black.