Not By Works

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Lightskin

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I don’t know whether going to a casino is a sin or not. But I don’t think you can lose your salvation anyways.

What I do believe is that good works is the fruit of salvation. If a person keep sinning he or she may not have been saved in the first place, but I don’t know, I’m no theologian.
It’s good to hear from you Susanna. It’s been a while. I hope you’re well and appreciate your response.
 
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EleventhHour

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I don’t know whether going to a casino is a sin or not. But I don’t think you can lose your salvation anyways.

What I do believe is that good works is the fruit of salvation. If a person keep sinning he or she may not have been saved in the first place, but I don’t know, I’m no theologian.
No one stops sinning.
 

VCO

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I don’t know whether going to a casino is a sin or not. But I don’t think you can lose your salvation anyways.

What I do believe is that good works is the fruit of salvation. If a person keep sinning he or she may not have been saved in the first place, but I don’t know, I’m no theologian.

I used to live near RENO, and we used to go into the Casinos, mostly too eat at the Buffet. I would say it depends on what your Motive is for going into a Casino. If you are SAVED, it is not That You Go into a Casino, it is WHY. If your addicted to GAMBLING, you should Stay OUT.
 
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What do you think of the mark of the beast being peoples' desire to be justified by their own works rather than by faith in Christ?
 
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EleventhHour

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What do you think of the mark of the beast being peoples' desire to be justified by their own works rather than by faith in Christ?
I somewhat see what you are saying... however the mark would involve all people though.
 
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EleventhHour

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I used to live near RENO, and we used to go into the Casinos, mostly too eat at the Buffet. I would say it depends on what your Motive is for going into a Casino. If you are SAVED, it is not That You Go into a Casino, it is WHY. If your addicted to GAMBLING, you should Stay OUT.

If you are addicted most likely you will not be able to stay out.
 
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EleventhHour

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A question for people who believe we must maintain our salvation:

I recently went to a casino and won $500. Upon leaving I gave a married couple a $100 chip.

My question is, am I a condemned sinner for going to the casino or did I maintain my salvation because I gave complete strangers $100?
Not only did you sin, but you involved other innocent people in your sin which of course is double trouble.

Therefore you were probably not saved to begin with... in which case it does not really matter....since you were already condemned.

Sorry to break this to you but I felt I had to be honest!

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Lightskin

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Not only did you sin, but you involved other innocent people in your sin which of course is double trouble.

Therefore you were probably not saved to begin with... in which case it does not really matter....since you were already condemned.

Sorry to break this to you but I felt I had to be honest!

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You said PROBABLY not saved. So you’re saying there’s a chance I am. 😎
 
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EleventhHour

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You said PROBABLY not saved. So you’re saying there’s a chance I am. 😎
Do you know the lines from Dumb and Dumber?

"What are the chances Mary?

One out of a hundred?

...More like one out of a million.

So you're telling me there is a chance"


I guess there is always a slim chance ...:D
 
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EleventhHour

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Just thought I would share this since Italy is dear to my heart... such a beautiful country, so rich in history, the arts, music, food ...with resilient people in spite of all its problems .....and they are many problems.
We are in troubled times indeed.

The uplifting movement saw widespread participation in Rome yesterday evening, where adults and children took to their windows to wave at each other, play music and sing, swapping fear for hope. Many joined in rousing renditions of the national anthem, some played the guitar or the trumpet; there was even a performance of Amazing Grace on the bagpipes.

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EleventhHour

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Toronto shows support for Italy....
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Niagara Falls shows support.....

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VCO

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If you are addicted most likely you will not be able to stay out.


People in Gamblers Anonymous tells their People that the best way to avoid Gaming, is NOT to put yourself in TEMPTATIONS PATH.

I Think the Best way to AVOID Temptation, is to Lovingly MAKE JESUS CHRIST KING OF YOUR LIFE.
 
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Jude 1:3-4 (ASV)
3 Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude did not Pull Punches when it came to confronting False Doctrine.

1 Timothy 1:18-20 (HCSB)
18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you may strongly engage in battle,
19 having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith.
20 Hymenaeus and Alexander are among them, and I have delivered them to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.

Acts 20:26-31 (HCSB)
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of everyone’s blood,
27 for I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole plan of God.
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock that the Holy Spirit has appointed you to as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.

Paul did not Pull Punches when it came to confronting False Doctrine.

1 Peter 5:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Be serious! Be alert! Your adversary the Devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.
9 Resist him and be firm in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.

2 Peter 2:1-10 (HCSB)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their unrestrained ways, and the way of truth will be blasphemed because of them.
3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, ⌊pronounced⌋ long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.
4 For if God didn’t spare the angels who sinned but threw them down into Tartarus and delivered them to be kept in chains of darkness until judgment;
5 and ⌊if⌋ He didn’t spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly;
6 and ⌊if⌋ He reduced the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes and condemned them to ruin, making them an example to those who were going to be ungodly;
7 and ⌊if⌋ He rescued righteous Lot, distressed by the unrestrained behavior of the immoral
8 (for as he lived among them, that righteous man tormented himself day by day with the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9 ⌊then⌋ the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,
10 especially those who follow the polluting desires of the flesh and despise authority. Bold, arrogant people! They do not tremble when they blaspheme the glorious ones;

Peter had a LOW Tolerance for False Doctrines.

Revelation 6:16-17 (HCSB)
16 And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
17 because the great day of Their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?”

And Look at the ALL the Wrath explained in Revelation, against False Doctrine, that JOHN Prophesied.

John 2:13-16 (HCSB)
13 The Jewish Passover was near, so Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 In the temple complex He found people selling oxen, sheep, and doves, and ⌊He also found⌋ the money changers sitting there.
15 After making a whip out of cords, He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep and oxen. He also poured out the money changers’ coins and overturned the tables.
16 He told those who were selling doves, “Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father’s house into a marketplace!”

John 8:42-47 (HCSB)
42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, because I came from God and I am here. For I didn’t come on My own, but He sent Me.
43 Why don’t you understand what I say? Because you cannot listen to My word.
44 You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
46 Who among you can convict Me of sin? If I tell the truth, why don’t you believe Me?
47 The one who is from God listens to God’s words. This is why you don’t listen, because you are not from God.”


Now there JESUS EVEN GOT MAD BECAUSE OF FALSE TEACHING. So are you going to accuse HIM of aggressive demeanor too.
You I suspect you must be of the False Doctine of a LOVE ONLY GOSPEL, am I right?
Your last remark tells me a lot about your doctrine. If you think Christ acted as low as some of you lot, you're in the wrong house.
 
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Eternal life is granted in this life....do you know this?

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26 And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” 27“Yes, Lord,” she answered, “I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.”…
John 11:26

“I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life.
John 5:24
I recall something about the eternal soul in the human being given us by God. Yes, I know that.