Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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Dave-L

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John146 said:
I’m pretty sure you put it at the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15. That’s not the end of the earth.
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Jesus says it is.

The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
 
Dave-L

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John146 said:
Sooo, the four corners of the earth is spiritual not physical? Gog and Magog is spiritual not physical?
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Armageddon, Gog, and Magog are an attack on the church just before Jesus returns. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
 
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Dave-L said:
Jesus says it is.

The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
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The resurrection occurs at the rapture of the Church followed by the seven years tribulation and thousand year Millennium. When the thousand years are expired, Satan is loosed to deceive the nations one last time and the battle of Mog and Magog will happen. The earth is dissolved and the GWTJ occurs.
 
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Dave-L said:
Armageddon, Gog, and Magog are an attack on the church just before Jesus returns. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
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One more time...the four corners of the earth is physical not spiritual.
 
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John146 said:
The resurrection occurs at the rapture of the Church followed by the seven years tribulation and thousand year Millennium. When the thousand years are expired, Satan is loosed to deceive the nations one last time and the battle of Mog and Magog will happen. The earth is dissolved and the GWTJ occurs.
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Not one scripture mentions a 7-year tribulation or pre-trib rapture. None at all.
 
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Dave-L said:
If you can find one scripture in the gospels or epistles that teach a future physical kingdom, I'll retract this claim.
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THIS, is what YOU said. (Above)

THIS, is what God said through Gabriel:
Luke 1:32-33 New King James Version (NKJV)
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”


NONE of your retort changes this Scripture. When did Jesus sit on King David's Throne? The answer is He NEVER has SO FAR.

THIS Scripture crystal clearly teaches that there will be a future physical Kingdom.

Why are you not keeping your word?
 
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PennEd said:
THIS, is what YOU said.

THIS, is what God said through Gabriel:
Luke 1:32-33 New King James Version (NKJV)
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”


NONE of your retort changes this Scripture. When did Jesus sit on King David's Throne? The answer is He NEVER has SO FAR.

THIS Scripture crystal clearly teaches that there will be a future physical Kingdom.

Why are you not keeping your word?
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Only the born again can see the kingdom. You agree with the Pharisees, not Christ in this matter.
 
PennEd

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Dave-L said:
Only the born again can see the kingdom. You agree with the Pharisees, not Christ in this matter.
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Why did you ask for Scripture that would prove there will be a physical Kingdom when you knew no matter what was posted you would deny it?

Please answer. WHEN did Jesus sit on King David's Throne?
 
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Dave-L said:
Armageddon, Gog, and Magog are an attack on the church just before Jesus returns
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This happens at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign on the earth after he returned already!

Revelation 19:11; Christ returns on earth with the saints who got the victory over the mark/beast, begins 1,000 year reign after defeating the beast and false prophet.

Revelation 20:7; Satan is loosed out from of his prison after the 1,000 years to attack the camp of the saints with Gog and Magog, then fire comes down from heaven to devour his army.
 
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PennEd said:
Why did you ask for Scripture that would prove there will be a physical Kingdom when you knew no matter what was posted you would deny it?
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Dave-L is here to promote his false doctrines no matter how many Scriptures refute him.

Sadly, this is invariably the case with those who pervert Bible truth. They have no desire to reject their own false beliefs and accept what is stated in the Word of God. Instead they resort to ABSURDITIES such as this: "Armageddon, Gog, and Magog are an attack on the church just before Jesus returns".
 
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Dave-L said:
Jesus is Israel = Abraham's Seed (singular) according to Paul. Along with those who believe in him according to Paul. Matthew endorses this too. When Christ abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel.
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I’m sorry, I thought Jesus was the King. Are you implying He is just like us?
 
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Dave-L said:
Only the born again can see the kingdom. You agree with the Pharisees, not Christ in this matter.
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See the kingdom? Must be a physical, visible kingdom....
 
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False.. I believe in a coming 1000 year kingdom on earth ruled over by a returned Jesus i Also believe that the Kingdom is Spiritual So there i put to rest this false report of the beliefs of people who believe in the coming 1000 year kingdom on earth..

Believers have always reigned with Christ .Abel is the first recorded martyr who suffered with Christ who worked in Abel to both will and do His good pleasure .

The thousand years is a unknown as the last days. It began when the time of Reformation had come. It would seem some confuse reigning with Christ the anointing holy Spirit that lives in us with the the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus.

That demonstration is over and the Holy Spirit reminds us in 2 Corinthians 5:16 that even though a few did know him after the flesh we know him that way no more forever more. God is not a man as us. . There is no sign as a wonder of another promised demonstration using corrupted flesh and blood.One demonstration is all that was promised.
 
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John146 said:
See the kingdom? Must be a physical, visible kingdom....
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The kingdom of this world is a physical, visible corrupted kingdom. Something the father is not interested in (the corruptible) a used dying creation rather than one new incorruptible )

He gave the Son the words, as it is written to signify the glorious coming of the incorruptible .When the kingdoms of this world become his kingdom in the new heavens and earth .

No interest in the kingdoms of this world and all their corrupted glory . Better things accompany salvation

Strike three as it is written.. your'e out!

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mathew 4
 
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garee said:
The kingdom of this world is a physical, visible corrupted kingdom. Something the father is not interested in (the corruptible) a used dying creation rather than one new incorruptible )
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Well, He created it. He’s interested in restoring it.
 
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John146 said:
Well, He created it. He’s interested in restoring it.
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The corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible. New elements and rudiments as non corrupted. Not rebuilt or reconditioned. No letter of the law it is cast in the lake of fire. . . never to rise and condemn by corruption another entire creation.
 
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