Are gentiles ever Israel?
- Thread starter Blik
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Here they are...
"Israel is defined as those born again. Mankind as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood of mankind and overcome because the have Emanuel .God with them ."
Nowhere in Scripture is Israel so defined.
" The question is why did he change the name of his born again bride from isral to Cjristian . The name sems befiiting. that God named her."
Nowhere in Scripture is the bride renamed from "Israel" to "Christian"... and you need to proofread your posts!
"As Jacob who previously did wrestle against flesh and blood and did not over come .Giving rise to the meaning of the name deceiver."
That's not how the name "deceiver" originated.
"Some teach the name Christian that the father named us which means without adding new meaning.; "Residents of the city of Christ named after her founder Christ". It seems to be appropriate. . the a bride named after a city. Some say it was derogatory to the Jew and therefore she was not named by the father."
None of that is in Scripture.
As I said, your entire post is adding new meanings that are not found in Scripture.
Next time, do your own homework.
"Israel is defined as those born again. Mankind as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood of mankind and overcome because the have Emanuel .God with them ."
Nowhere in Scripture is Israel so defined.
" The question is why did he change the name of his born again bride from isral to Cjristian . The name sems befiiting. that God named her."
Nowhere in Scripture is the bride renamed from "Israel" to "Christian"... and you need to proofread your posts!
"As Jacob who previously did wrestle against flesh and blood and did not over come .Giving rise to the meaning of the name deceiver."
That's not how the name "deceiver" originated.
"Some teach the name Christian that the father named us which means without adding new meaning.; "Residents of the city of Christ named after her founder Christ". It seems to be appropriate. . the a bride named after a city. Some say it was derogatory to the Jew and therefore she was not named by the father."
None of that is in Scripture.
As I said, your entire post is adding new meanings that are not found in Scripture.
Next time, do your own homework.
Hi not exactly sure what you mean by "ever Israel". I know when God lead them to the promise land He said if anyone wishes to join you (go through some loops) treat them as if they were born of you. And "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise."
So if ..lol if? Jesus is the vine, now look at all the branches. Which is which? Some are originally of the vine.. He is the vine we are the branches.
So if ..lol if? Jesus is the vine, now look at all the branches. Which is which? Some are originally of the vine.. He is the vine we are the branches.
Is she defined by the shade of her flesh? Shape of her nose?
I gather my opinion from the context below. .Where do you draw yours from that would make mine without effect as you say it does. ?
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.Genesis 32:24-30
From a deceiver to a prince as part of the unseen kingdom of God . From an outward Jew according to the flesh to a born again jew according to the Spirit of Christ .
Jacob as born again Israel marked the spot of his rebirth called it. . Peniel: my life is preserved.
Jacob the second born who deceived his father into thinking he was the first born
Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
Sure it is who do you think renamed her? Did you look in Acts?
That's where the name "deceiver" originated. Stealing first place.
Its why he overcame and was not killed . Yes deceiving is what he was doing grabbing the heel of His brother. (get behind me) He deceived his father in that way . This showed disrespect for the father not seen leading toward salvation the wrestling match .
WWF the world wide wrestling federation God's labor of love verses the imagination of a unconverted heart. One round in the twinkling of the eye.
Christians do not wrestle against flesh and blood. They have the the treasure of the power of God in them. It can overcome the works of the flesh making our burden lighter .
The word Christian must have a meaning. It cannot mean whatever you want, whenever. The word Christian simply means residents of the city of Christ. . . named by our father in heaven after the founder Christ.
Just like Nicolaitanes ,Galatians or Thessalonians. Any group or city named its founder or husband like with the word Christian
Do you think the name He named her was befitting for his chaste virgin bride?
I gather my opinion from the context below. .Where do you draw yours from that would make mine without effect as you say it does. ?
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.Genesis 32:24-30
From a deceiver to a prince as part of the unseen kingdom of God . From an outward Jew according to the flesh to a born again jew according to the Spirit of Christ .
Jacob as born again Israel marked the spot of his rebirth called it. . Peniel: my life is preserved.
Jacob the second born who deceived his father into thinking he was the first born
Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
Sure it is who do you think renamed her? Did you look in Acts?
That's where the name "deceiver" originated. Stealing first place.
Its why he overcame and was not killed . Yes deceiving is what he was doing grabbing the heel of His brother. (get behind me) He deceived his father in that way . This showed disrespect for the father not seen leading toward salvation the wrestling match .
WWF the world wide wrestling federation God's labor of love verses the imagination of a unconverted heart. One round in the twinkling of the eye.
Christians do not wrestle against flesh and blood. They have the the treasure of the power of God in them. It can overcome the works of the flesh making our burden lighter .
The word Christian must have a meaning. It cannot mean whatever you want, whenever. The word Christian simply means residents of the city of Christ. . . named by our father in heaven after the founder Christ.
Just like Nicolaitanes ,Galatians or Thessalonians. Any group or city named its founder or husband like with the word Christian
Do you think the name He named her was befitting for his chaste virgin bride?
It's straightforward: we who are believers in Christ, regardless of our ethnic background, economic status, or gender, are full heirs of the promise given to Abraham and, according to chapter 4, fully adopted into God's family. This is on the basis of belief in Christ and His finished work, not on our adherence to the Law.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
I so so so agree. It has been so difficult for me to cope with this poster, yet the knowledge of scripture shown in the posts has been marvelous. I had hoped this would get an answer, and avoid making the antagonism the focus of the answer. The answer was marvelous, in depth as usual, and even that we agree on the interpretation.
-
1
- Show all