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How so?
Are you confused?
Remember, I'm the one who says you can lose your salvation by going back to unbelief. We are to fear the consequences of doing that. Don't do that and you will live in absolute security of Christ's ministry on your behalf in heaven.
I understand completely that most people with Calvinistic osas doctrines are among the most hard headed and stubborn people in the church. I post here for those not already hardened in these doctrines of Calvin that came into the church in the latter part of church history.
Are you confused?
Remember, I'm the one who says you can lose your salvation by going back to unbelief. We are to fear the consequences of doing that. Don't do that and you will live in absolute security of Christ's ministry on your behalf in heaven.
I understand completely that most people with Calvinistic osas doctrines are among the most hard headed and stubborn people in the church. I post here for those not already hardened in these doctrines of Calvin that came into the church in the latter part of church history.
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If we don't have free will, then how is it that God allows US to choose whether to follow Him or not? 
If we MUST follow Him, and have no choice at all, that's not free will. To me anyway..
If we MUST follow Him, and have no choice at all, that's not free will. To me anyway..
@OneOfHis , this is what it means to be born again by the Spirit:
"6The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you...and you will be changed into a different person." - 1 Samuel 10:6
It means being a different person. Like when a drunk reforms his way and we say he's a 'different' man now.
This is what Nicodemus did not understand about being 'born again' even though he was a teacher of Israel and this verse is right in the scriptures he was supposed to be an expert in.
"6The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you...and you will be changed into a different person." - 1 Samuel 10:6
It means being a different person. Like when a drunk reforms his way and we say he's a 'different' man now.
This is what Nicodemus did not understand about being 'born again' even though he was a teacher of Israel and this verse is right in the scriptures he was supposed to be an expert in.
Why are you rejecting my explanation?
Do you still not understand I was simply using your analogy of an actual human baby?
If you want to compare being born again to being physically born then it reasons that being 'born again' can be ended too since humans can indeed end their lives by their own choice.
Do you still not understand I was simply using your analogy of an actual human baby?
If you want to compare being born again to being physically born then it reasons that being 'born again' can be ended too since humans can indeed end their lives by their own choice.
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You were conflating the meaning of words and muddying the topic to prove a point.
We can't choose to be born, nor remain born.
It happened. (or it did not)
If we are born of God, He keeps us.
He does not forsake us.
Nothing present or to come will separate us from His love.
Despite what people online who wouldn't even admit to speaking to us before may claim.
We can't choose to be born, nor remain born.
It happened. (or it did not)
If we are born of God, He keeps us.
He does not forsake us.
Nothing present or to come will separate us from His love.
Despite what people online who wouldn't even admit to speaking to us before may claim.
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Hi Judges, In my understanding, a TRUE believer cannot go back to not believing in God.. I don't know of ANY true Christian who has returned to unbelief..
In my understanding, a TRUE believer cannot go back to not believing in God.. I don't know of ANY true Christian who has returned to unbelief..
Someone may be like peter and deny Christ in word, but all of His know deep down Jesus is exactly who He said and our only Hope even in moments of stumbling.
God knows too who He has started in, and He will continue in unto the day of Christ
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A passage to go along with my point made in Post #129,573 (page 6479, before it gets too far away, LOL):
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 -
Christ Our Foundation
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Peter 2:4-12)
10 According to the grace of God having been given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, but another is building upon it. But let each one take heed how he builds upon it. 11 For no one is able to lay another foundation, besides the one being already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds upon the foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13 the work of each will become manifest, for the day will disclose it, because it is revealed in fire, and the fire itself will prove [G1381 (related to the G96 word of 1Cor9:27 [--G1 G1384])] the work of each, what sort it is. 14 If the work of anyone that he built up will remain, he will receive a reward. 15 If the work of anyone will be burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, but so as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 -
Christ Our Foundation
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Peter 2:4-12)
10 According to the grace of God having been given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, but another is building upon it. But let each one take heed how he builds upon it. 11 For no one is able to lay another foundation, besides the one being already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds upon the foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13 the work of each will become manifest, for the day will disclose it, because it is revealed in fire, and the fire itself will prove [G1381 (related to the G96 word of 1Cor9:27 [--G1 G1384])] the work of each, what sort it is. 14 If the work of anyone that he built up will remain, he will receive a reward. 15 If the work of anyone will be burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, but so as through fire.
You know, THEY really do not get this TRUTH, that you are proclaiming. They think you are in control of your own destiny.
What does Jesus say:
John 15:16 (HCSB)
16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you. I appointed you that you should go out and produce fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
When did HE CHOOSE US ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
IT SAYS: before time began.
Then HE chose those of us where we HAVE the Spiritual Fruit that would REMAIN, and NOT FALL AWAY.
They severely LIMIT the Power of GOD's Foreknowledge, and Choose to believe that their Human Mind, can NULLIFY the Will of GOD in HIS Choosing those who would not Fall Away. WOW, that IS what they erroneously Believe.
HE REALLY KNOWS EVERY DECISION WE WOULD EVER MAKE, Before before time began.
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Hi Judges, In my understanding, a TRUE believer cannot go back to not believing in God.. I don't know of ANY true Christian who has returned to unbelief..
In my understanding, a TRUE believer cannot go back to not believing in God.. I don't know of ANY true Christian who has returned to unbelief..
That is the traditional Calvinistic thinking.
In the very early church only the Gnostics believed in osas, and the rest of the church resisted it firmly. Then the Catholic Church resisted it, too. It wasn't until the reformed movement broke away from the Catholic Church in these latter days of the church era that Gnostic osas was accepted in the church. That is my understanding of the roots of this horrible doctrine that's been working it's way through the whole batch of dough like leaven.
And, by the way, I do know a (former) true Christian who has returned to unbelief.
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Oh please!!
You saw the Holy Spirit leave his/her body?
You saw the Holy Spirit leave his/her body?
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Oh please!!
You saw the Holy Spirit leave his/her body?
You saw the Holy Spirit leave his/her body?
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