If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

Bud.... open your eyes, you got some pretty sharp people who love God showing you some truth



You are stuck in bondage that is not of God man..... I hope you let go of the false doctrine and trust in Christ

So, when did you stop sinning?

By the way, do you believe there is a recording angel keeping track of all your sins, and if you die without repenting of one, you are lost?

And, do you believe Jesus is in heaven, going through this book of sins, and seeing if there were any unrepented sins on a person's record?

This is the doctrine of the investigative judgment. They believe a recording angel is keeping track of every sin in a book...and if any sin is unrepented by the time the person dies, they will be judged eternally. So, if the person forgot a single sin and didn't repent of it, they are forever lost.

They believe Jesus started going through these records in 1844, and at some point, he will cover all the dead, and start to judge the living. After judging a living person, if they don't remain sinless, they are lost.

That's what Adventism teaches.

Note that he doesn't want to get into the details of Adventist teachings though

Some of Ellen G Whites writings are OK but they are mixed with erroneous teaching. The Devil always uses this method to
mislead people. I once read that there exists a huge amount of Ellen Whites teachings and so called prophecies that never see light of day. You could say that her writings have been White washed!

Well if you want to do away with the Commandments, WE can kill & still Commit Adultery & us GODs name in Vain, Man with man women with women, Your Heaven will Be just as BAD as this world is NOW, And there's more that you are doing away with To,
If there was no sin before the FLOOD, why Did GOD destroy the World For, If there where no Commandments when Cain killed Abel
How did Cain Sin?? If there was no commandments, WHY did GOD tell Cain that Sin lieth at the DOOR, And this was before there was JEWS, They had GODs Commandments, Or they would not have SINNED. Do you think GOD destroyed the would with a FLOOD for nothing,
No they where breaking HIS commandments, GOD laws is what MAKES a man EVIL OR GOOD, without GODs LAWS , THERE would be no GOOD or EVIL, GOD is WHO says what is GOOD or BAD,
GOD bless as HE sees fit

IT is not that I sin, GOD will not judge me for what I don't know, BUT HE will Judge Me if I sin willfully ,WE can't continue in sin and go to Heaven, We must repent to GO to HEAVEN, GOD will save us from the sins that WE have committed IF we DON'T continue in SIN,
1 peter And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear??? GOD bless as HE sees fit

When God judges you, you will either have your own works... or the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ by grace through faith.

John did not say the 10 commandments (with all it's rules and regulations) under the old testament law.

5. What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the fourth commandment instructs worship on Saturday.

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction."20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12) Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24) From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

1. To believe in Jesus Christ
2. To love one another - https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

So Jesus failed as fulfilling the law, believers are under the old testament law and salvation is based on the merits of perfectly obeying the 10 commandments from the old testament law? Typical SDA propaganda.

This statement from Jesus would come as a shock to the multitude of Israelites who had great admiration of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, for their knowledge of the law and seeming righteousness and holiness in external observance of the law, yet Jesus points out their righteousness was defective.

Paul explains in Romans 9:30-32 that even the Gentiles "who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone."

Paul makes it clear in Romans 10:3-4, "For they (Israel) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES."

We see in the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector an example of those who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, yet despised others. (Luke 18:9-14) We also see this today with various modern day Pharisees. The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, therighteousness which is from God by faith.

Romans 3:21 - But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

Of course Jesus did and He was without sin (Hebrews 4:15) and was born under the law. (Galatians 4:4) The sabbath is one of the 10 commandments under the law. We are not Israelites under old testament law.

More SDA propaganda.

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to legally put into place the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments from the old testament law which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Deuteronomy 5:15; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 9:13; 10:31) that is not a New Testament command for the Church.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

I have no problem with the need to pursue holiness. This is inevitable in the believer, who is united with Jesus, because his union produces fruit.

Defining it by calendar observances of the Mosaic Law, as well as dietary laws, are the problem.

The Mosaic Law is not in effect, and this includes calendar observances, as well as clean meat laws.

I have no more sensitivity to the Sabbath than physical circumcision, because both were SIGNS of the Mosaic Covenant God had with Israel. I am not an Israelite in a physical sense, so they don't apply to me.

Some Sabbathkeepers claim that the Sabbath is a moral absolute and continues into the New Covenant.

This analysis shows how the Sabbath and circumcision compare in terms of language in the Old Testament.

Sometimes, they will point out that Sabbath-breaking was punishable by death, and that proves its moral nature. However, the same situation occurred with regards to circumcision. God sought to kill Moses because he failed to circumcise his son.

Anyways, this is one point of many that is covered in Dale Ratzlaff's book Sabbath in Christ that leads one to systematically understand that Old Covenant ceremonial and ritualistic elements including the Sabbath, festivals, clean/unclean meats do not apply to New Covenant Christians. Dale was a former fourth generation Seventh Day Adventist. I am a former member of a Sabbathkeeping cult, as well.

Circumcision was the one-time entry sign into the Old Covenant. Sabbathkeeping was the continuing, "remembrance" sign of the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant, the one-time entry sign is baptism and the continuing, "remembrance" sign is the Lord's Supper. Totally different covenant, totally different signs. It is not a "Renewed Covenant" like some Hebrew Roots Movements adherents. That is part of the teaching of the Galatians heretics.

SABBATH AND CIRCUMCISION COMPARISON

The purpose of this comparison is to prove that the Sabbath and circumcision are similar in terms of nature. Both are signs of the Old Covenant. Signs are not moral absolutes. They are arbitrary indicators that one is a party to a covenant.
Scripture speaks of them with very similar language, and it is plain that they are similar in terms of nature.
The comparisons below are based mainly on Genesis 17:9-14 and Exodus 31:12-18, 20:12:

C: “You shall keep my My covenant” : Gen 17:9
S: “You shall surely observe My Sabbath: Ex 31:13

C: “Me and you and your descendants” : Gen 17:9
S: “Me and the sons of Israel” : Ex 31:14

C: “And you shall be circumcised : Gen 17:11
S: “You are to observe the Sabbath” : Ex 31:14

C: Throughout your generations” : Gen 17:12
S: Throughout your generations” : Ex 31:13

C: “The sign..between Me and you” : Gen 17:11
S: “A sign between Me and You” : Ex 31:13

C: “An everlasting covenant”: Gen 17:13
S: “A perpetual covenant” : Ex 31:16

C: “Uncircumcised..cut off” : Ex 17:14
S: “Whoever does any work…cut off” : Ex 31:14

C: Servant to be circumcised : Gen 17:12
S: Servant to keep Sabbath : Ex 20:10

C: Sign of circumcision given at time of giving of the Covenant: Gen 17:1-9
S: Sign of Sabbath given at time of giving of the Covenant : Ex 31:18

C: Nonobservance punishable by death (Ex 4:24-26)
S: Nonobservance punishable by death (Num 15:32-36)

C: Circumcision mentioned 6 times
S: Sabbath mentioned six times

The importance of the above comparison is to create the association between circumcision and the Sabbath. Both are signs of the Old Covenant. Circumcision was carried over from the Abrahamic covenant, but it was still one of the signs of the Old Covenant (John 7:23).

Circumcision was the one-time, entry sign into the Old Covenant (Exodus 12:48), and the Sabbath was the continuing, remembrance sign of the Old Covenant (Exodus 20:8).

A sign is not a moral absolute. It is an arbitrary indicator that one is a party to a covenant.

NEW COVENANT SIGNS

The New Covenant is a different covenant, with different signs and different laws.

Baptism is the one-time entry sign into the New Covenant (Matt. 28:19-20). The continuing, remembrance sign of the New Covenant is the Lord’s Supper (Luke 22:19). Note the similarity in wording between remembrance element of the Sabbath and the Lord’s Supper.

Some Sabbathkeepers claim that the Sabbath is a moral absolute and continues into the New Covenant.

This analysis shows how the Sabbath and circumcision compare in terms of language in the Old Testament.

Sometimes, they will point out that Sabbath-breaking was punishable by death, and that proves its moral nature. However, the same situation occurred with regards to circumcision. God sought to kill Moses because he failed to circumcise his son.

Anyways, this is one point of many that is covered in Dale Ratzlaff's book Sabbath in Christ that leads one to systematically understand that Old Covenant ceremonial and ritualistic elements including the Sabbath, festivals, clean/unclean meats do not apply to New Covenant Christians. Dale was a former fourth generation Seventh Day Adventist. I am a former member of a Sabbathkeeping cult, as well.

Circumcision was the one-time entry sign into the Old Covenant. Sabbathkeeping was the continuing, "remembrance" sign of the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant, the one-time entry sign is baptism and the continuing, "remembrance" sign is the Lord's Supper. Totally different covenant, totally different signs. It is not a "Renewed Covenant" like some Hebrew Roots Movements adherents. That is part of the teaching of the Galatians heretics.

SABBATH AND CIRCUMCISION COMPARISON

The purpose of this comparison is to prove that the Sabbath and circumcision are similar in terms of nature. Both are signs of the Old Covenant. Signs are not moral absolutes. They are arbitrary indicators that one is a party to a covenant.

Scripture speaks of them with very similar language, and it is plain that they are similar in terms of nature.

The comparisons below are based mainly on Genesis 17:9-14 and Exodus 31:12-18, 20:12:

C: “You shall keep my My covenant” : Gen 17:9
S: “You shall surely observe My Sabbath: Ex 31:13


C: “Me and you and your descendants” : Gen 17:9
S: “Me and the sons of Israel” : Ex 31:14


C: “And you shall be circumcised : Gen 17:11
S: “You are to observe the Sabbath” : Ex 31:14


C: Throughout your generations” : Gen 17:12
S: Throughout your generations” : Ex 31:13


C: “The sign..between Me and you” : Gen 17:11
S: “A sign between Me and You” : Ex 31:13

C: “Uncircumcised..cut off” : Ex 17:14
S: “Whoever does any work…cut off” : Ex 31:14

C: Servant to be circumcised : Gen 17:12
S: Servant to keep Sabbath : Ex 20:10

C: Sign of circumcision given at time of giving of the Covenant: Gen 17:1-9
S: Sign of Sabbath given at time of giving of the Covenant : Ex 31:18

C: Nonobservance punishable by death (Ex 4:24-26)
S: Nonobservance punishable by death (Num 15:32-36)

C: Circumcision mentioned 6 times
S: Sabbath mentioned six times

C: “An everlasting covenant”: Gen 17:13
S: “A perpetual covenant” : Ex 31:16

Note: the Hebrew word for "everlasting" and "perpetual" is identical in Hebrew. The word could mean that it lasts throughout the applicable period, for instance, as long as the Mosaic Covenant is in effect. Other ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic Covenant are said to be "everlasting" or "perpetual" as well, including the Levitical priesthood and its' offerings (Ex 29:9, 40:15, Lev 3:17, 16:34, 24:9, 25:34, Num 19:21, 1 Kings 9:3, 2 Ch 7:16) ..do a word search on the Hebrew word עוֹלָם`owlam (Strong's H5769).

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5769&t=KJV

The importance of the above comparison is to create the association between circumcision and the Sabbath. Both are signs of the Old Covenant. Circumcision was carried over from the Abrahamic covenant, but it was still one of the signs of the Old Covenant (John 7:23).


Circumcision was the one-time, entry sign into the Old Covenant (Exodus 12:48), and the Sabbath was the continuing, remembrance sign of the Old Covenant (Exodus 20:8).

A sign is not a moral absolute. It is an arbitrary indicator that one is a party to a covenant.

NEW COVENANT SIGNS

The New Covenant is a different covenant, with different signs and different laws.

Baptism is the one-time entry sign into the New Covenant (Matt. 28:19-20). The continuing, remembrance sign of the New Covenant is the Lord’s Supper (Luke 22:19). Note the similarity in wording between remembrance element of the Sabbath and the Lord’s Supper.

Summary: The Mosaic Covenant is no longer in effect, and neither are the Mosaic Laws. Circumcision and Sabbath are signs of this covenant, similar to baptism and the Lord's Supper. Each covenant has a one-time, entry sign, and a continuing, remembrance sign. A parallel with today's culture would be the marriage of a couple, and the anniversary of the marriage.

For Scriptures regarding the Mosaic Covenant's obsolescence, see Acts 15, Galatians 3-4, Ephesians 2:13-15, 2 Corinthians 3, Hebrews 7-8, and Romans 7:1-6.

Note: I do think it is perfectly appropriate to observe the Lord's Day, to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus, as Jesus' resurrection body is the beginning of the new creation. It will be followed by a much greater resurrection of his brothers and sisters, and they are already experiencing the new creation in the sense of regeneration. Observing the eighth day is perfectly appropriate, and I believe it is similar to the meaning of physical circumcision, which occurred on the eighth day of the Israelite newborns' life. The child entered the covenant on the eighth day. Eight is symbolic of new beginnings in Scripture (7+1), and similarly, so is the number fifty (7x7)+1.

In the case of Sunday meetings, I think the early church viewed it as moving past the Mosaic- economy, and into the Christ-economy.

I would also recommend reading this paper by J Daniel Hays regarding principlism.

J. Daniel Hays is a dispensationalist, but I agree with him on most of his points here, if not all.

If we are choosing to willfully We are not GOING to make it to HEAVEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are being tested to see if we are willing to sin, Shall WE continue in sin GOD forbid. HE that sinneth is of the DEVIL, This is sin that we know it sin and do it anyway, GOD bless as HE sees fit.

How can you say that one of the COMMANDMENTS is no GOOD That JESUS wrote with HIS own FINGER, When JESUS tells you that one JOT or ONE TITTLE WOULD not pass FROM the LAW till HEAVEN and earth PASS away. YOU HAVE nothing to stand on At all, I tell you RIGHT now the sunday will BE the antichrist's MARK OF the BEAST, When the sunday laws are enforced ANd The so called Christians Will choose To persecute GODs true Commandment KEEPERS, Because They want to keep there traditions , MOST people think that what saved their Dads will save them, THIS is a lie, IF GOD brings ME truth that MY Dad didn't have, My dad would not be judged for what he didn't know, But if I do the same thing and GOD has SHOWED me that it's not RIGHT, And I continue to do that thing, then because I know it was wrong, GOD will count me as a SINNER, BECAUSE I chose to keep sinning willfully, SO if we fellow our Dad even if we know that they made it to Heaven, Traditions will cause a lot of people to be LOST, Just like JESUS says, GOD bless as HE sees fit

The wheat and the tares are both in the CHURCH's A BIG part of those that is in the CHURCH's will be lost, For willfully sinning, SO we need to be looking to JESUS for how we should live, Satan will always be working to deceive GODs people,

None of the elect will be lost, but false believers don't have salvation to start with.

And, Judaizers are deceiving God's people. Read Galatians. They appeal to days and diet and physical circumcision for righteousness. That is the source of their claim to righteousness.

Keeping the Sabbath is not a moral issue. This is your claim. Sabbathkeepers constantly claim that if you don't rest on Saturday, you are not a true believer. It's part of their party line. Days and diet, days and diet, days and diet, days and diet, days and diet..

you mentioned Galatians , as I am sure you know, a lot of the s d a 's, Hebrew roots, etc. do NOT consider Paul's letters as authoritative Scripture, saying that some of his writings are inspired, some are Paul's opinions.

layer after layer of self-deception.

According to your logic, Jesus did not fulfill the law and we are all still under the law. 2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Sorry bud, but you have nothing to stand on except SDA propaganda and a perverted gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) Those who refuse to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (Romans 1:16) are willfully sinning.

*Please take the time to go back and meditate on the scriptures that I shared with you in my previous posts. I can see that the SDA church has really done a number on you. I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to the truth.

https://www.exadventist.com/Home/Intro/tabid/64/Default.aspx
https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

I don't think many SDAs deny Paul's writings, but many Hebrew Roots and Messianic Jews do.

The three issues I've seen the most with those groups are : Arianism, denying the letters of Paul, and considering other writings to be authoritative.

While not denying Paul's writings, SDAs are like the cult I belonged to...they don't teach the Bible expositorily (book by book) generally and this leads to a distorted understanding of the Bible.

They use proof-texting and this can lead to misunderstandings because the two contexts are not identical usually..they are "collapsing the context". Almost any Bible teacher will do this sometimes in a topical study, but if it is the consistent habit of the teacher, better look out. That's why I go to a Reformed Baptist church, and also like conservative Presbyterian teachers. Calvary Chapel also teaches expositorily, although I don't agree with them on significant issues.

The cult leader even claimed that the Bible was a "coded book" and could not be understood properly through reading it sequentially like a book...you had to know his worldview first. And, that is a false teaching. The Bible does make sense, when read beginning to end. There is a coherent metanarrative of Creation, Fall, Rescue, Restoration.

I think proof-texting appeals to lazy people, though, who don't want to read entire books and search out the context of each book, but want some illusion of understanding the Bible.

GOD will Never do away with HIS law, ECC 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear GOD, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Moses hand writings that pointed to JESUS going to the CROSS was the laws that was done away With.
And that was only the ones that was against us, just like COLOSSIANS 2:14 tell us, You are trying to do away with the eternal law,That without it there would not even be sin, And THAT IS VERY SAD TO ME, That people would want to do away with GODs LAWS, And try to say that they love GOD, And GOD HAS THE RIGHT to TELL US HOW WE SHOULD LIVE, LIKE Satan WANTS TO LIVE LIKE HE WANTS TO AND STILL LIVE THE WAY THEY WANT TO. BUT He WILL BE BROUGHT TO ASHES AND WILL NOT BE ANY MORE, GONE FOR EVER AND EVER, THE same will happen to those that want to live the way they want to and still LIVE, GOD WILL destroy them to, gone FOR EVER. JUST like Satan in the END.
GOD bless as HE sees fit