If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???
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I don't know that I have any issue with what you've said, except you should continue on to quote v. 17.
And, to note the context..throughout the Gentile church, Judaizers were attempting to enforce the Mosaic observances, including the festivals, upon Gentiles. Gentiles are not Israel, and the festivals were given to ancient Israel. They were "separation commandments" which were meant to preserve Israel's distinct identity, and to prohibit idolatry.
By stopping at v. 17, you are obscuring the fact that the days (weekly, monthly, annually) are shadows of Christ, and not the substance. The substance is Christ.
Judaizers worship the shadow, and not the substance.
Some also have this idea that Gentile slaves could simply start keeping the Sabbath, festivals, and New Moons..as if their masters are going to allow them to do this. Some also think that their pathetic observances, which required going to Jerusalem and could not be properly observed elsewhere, meet the requirements laid down in Scripture (Deut 16:16). Some have told me that going to a hotel room for seven/eight days, or going on a camping trip with their kids for seven/eight days, is keeping the festivals. Wrong. They can do it if they want, and it may even teach them some lessons, but it is not true observance of the festivals as defined in Scripture.
It's really impossible to observe the Mosaic Law now, as the Temple has been destroyed and there is no Levitical priesthood. Additionally, Christ has been sacrificed, and he is the final sacrifice. Therefore, there is no way that the Law can be observed now.
And, this is where I have a massive issue with dispensationalists, as they believe a Temple will be restored, and that the Law will be instituted again in the Millennium. Their understanding of the Prophets leads them to this conclusion, but this cannot be as Christ is the final sacrifice. And, their lame excuse of "these are memorials" is false, and violates their OWN "literal" interpretation, as nowhere does it call these observances in the Prophets as memorials. It refers to them as "sin offerings" in fact.
Instead, if one understand that the prophets were given visions that used "old covenant lenses" to explain "new covenant concepts" things become much clearer. But, the dispensationalist will claim this is "allegorizing" or "spiritualizing".
However, I will ask them if it is sane to think that animal sacrifices will be offered in the future as legitimate expressions of worship to God. I don't think so.
And, to note the context..throughout the Gentile church, Judaizers were attempting to enforce the Mosaic observances, including the festivals, upon Gentiles. Gentiles are not Israel, and the festivals were given to ancient Israel. They were "separation commandments" which were meant to preserve Israel's distinct identity, and to prohibit idolatry.
By stopping at v. 17, you are obscuring the fact that the days (weekly, monthly, annually) are shadows of Christ, and not the substance. The substance is Christ.
Judaizers worship the shadow, and not the substance.
Some also have this idea that Gentile slaves could simply start keeping the Sabbath, festivals, and New Moons..as if their masters are going to allow them to do this. Some also think that their pathetic observances, which required going to Jerusalem and could not be properly observed elsewhere, meet the requirements laid down in Scripture (Deut 16:16). Some have told me that going to a hotel room for seven/eight days, or going on a camping trip with their kids for seven/eight days, is keeping the festivals. Wrong. They can do it if they want, and it may even teach them some lessons, but it is not true observance of the festivals as defined in Scripture.
It's really impossible to observe the Mosaic Law now, as the Temple has been destroyed and there is no Levitical priesthood. Additionally, Christ has been sacrificed, and he is the final sacrifice. Therefore, there is no way that the Law can be observed now.
And, this is where I have a massive issue with dispensationalists, as they believe a Temple will be restored, and that the Law will be instituted again in the Millennium. Their understanding of the Prophets leads them to this conclusion, but this cannot be as Christ is the final sacrifice. And, their lame excuse of "these are memorials" is false, and violates their OWN "literal" interpretation, as nowhere does it call these observances in the Prophets as memorials. It refers to them as "sin offerings" in fact.
Instead, if one understand that the prophets were given visions that used "old covenant lenses" to explain "new covenant concepts" things become much clearer. But, the dispensationalist will claim this is "allegorizing" or "spiritualizing".
However, I will ask them if it is sane to think that animal sacrifices will be offered in the future as legitimate expressions of worship to God. I don't think so.
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If you want to fellow the Catholic Church And keep the first day of the week that GOD says is a working Day, When He tells us that it is a working day, And that HE BLESSED the seventh DAY and sanctified it, The BIBLE tells US in DANIEL 7:25 That the antichrist would seek to change times and laws, And the Sabbath is the only law of GOD that GOT to do with time, And sunday is not bless by GOD, It is a day that HE tells us to work on, To who we Obey is who's servants we are, Romans 6:16, Jesus Keep the Sabbath and we should fellow JESUS, AND not the Fellow Catholic Church with their False sunday Rest, Or any other false Rest day, GOD BLESS the SABBATH AND it will REMAIN BLESS, Even in the new HEAVEN And the NEW Earth, ISAIAH 66:22-23, GOD bless as HE sees fit
The context of Hebrews 3-4 is not on keeping the weekly Sabbath.
The context is different types pointing to the "rest of God".
The Sabbath was only one type of the "rest of God".
Another type was Israel's entrance into the Promised Land. It was typological of the "rest of God".
The "rest of God" is entering into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
And, the Jews, who could be called the "people of God" in the sense that they were chosen by God, have not entered into this "rest of God" yet.
Additionally, one could point to the "rest of God" in terms of being in God's presence, in the eternal state, in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
You really need to read the whole book of Hebrews in context.
Hebrews is about this fact: Jesus is "better than" any character in Israel's history, including angels and Moses. The New Covenant is "better than" the Old Covenant.
The rest of God in Christ that the New Covenant offers is "better than" any "rest of God" offered to ancient Israel, including the Promised Land and the Seventh Day.
And, there were Jews who wanted to retreat back into the shadows of the Mosaic Law, and find their comfort in the shadows rather than the reality. Paul or the writer, whoever he was, was constantly warning these Jews who wanted to retreat back into the shadow that what they were being offered was far greater than mere shadows.
Now, read Hebrews 3-4 in this light, and the Sabbatarian view of Hebrews 4:8-10 falls apart. The Sabbatarian view is so shallow. I am shocked that I was so deceived by Sabbatarian theology in the way I read this chapter.
One could view these verses in a slightly different manner, though...
I could read them as if they are talking about the Jews, and their failure to enter into the "true rest of God" in Christ, therefore this remains for them to enter into...this is the "another day" the author is referring to.
However, I could view it in the sense of believers, too. Living believers have not yet entered into the "rest of God" in the fullest sense, although the gospel has given them this in an inaugurated sense. And, while deceased believers have entered into God's presence now, they are not in the fullness of the "rest of God" because the New Heavens and New Earth have been inaugurated, but not consummated.
But, either way, these two views are consistent with biblical, evangelical Christianity whereas Sabbath keepers claim that it refers to the literal keeping of a day, which is false.
The context is different types pointing to the "rest of God".
The Sabbath was only one type of the "rest of God".
Another type was Israel's entrance into the Promised Land. It was typological of the "rest of God".
The "rest of God" is entering into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
And, the Jews, who could be called the "people of God" in the sense that they were chosen by God, have not entered into this "rest of God" yet.
Additionally, one could point to the "rest of God" in terms of being in God's presence, in the eternal state, in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
You really need to read the whole book of Hebrews in context.
Hebrews is about this fact: Jesus is "better than" any character in Israel's history, including angels and Moses. The New Covenant is "better than" the Old Covenant.
The rest of God in Christ that the New Covenant offers is "better than" any "rest of God" offered to ancient Israel, including the Promised Land and the Seventh Day.
And, there were Jews who wanted to retreat back into the shadows of the Mosaic Law, and find their comfort in the shadows rather than the reality. Paul or the writer, whoever he was, was constantly warning these Jews who wanted to retreat back into the shadow that what they were being offered was far greater than mere shadows.
Now, read Hebrews 3-4 in this light, and the Sabbatarian view of Hebrews 4:8-10 falls apart. The Sabbatarian view is so shallow. I am shocked that I was so deceived by Sabbatarian theology in the way I read this chapter.
One could view these verses in a slightly different manner, though...
I could read them as if they are talking about the Jews, and their failure to enter into the "true rest of God" in Christ, therefore this remains for them to enter into...this is the "another day" the author is referring to.
However, I could view it in the sense of believers, too. Living believers have not yet entered into the "rest of God" in the fullest sense, although the gospel has given them this in an inaugurated sense. And, while deceased believers have entered into God's presence now, they are not in the fullness of the "rest of God" because the New Heavens and New Earth have been inaugurated, but not consummated.
But, either way, these two views are consistent with biblical, evangelical Christianity whereas Sabbath keepers claim that it refers to the literal keeping of a day, which is false.
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Again, if you want to be consistent, read the surrounding context of Isaiah and see that he also mentions "new moons" and festivals, which you do NOT keep.
If you are using Isaiah 66 to prove that the Sabbath will be kept, then you must also apply the same logic to the festivals and New Moons, or you are being inconsistent.
This is exactly what I did as a Sabbatarian...I ignored the "new moons" part and only focused on the Sabbath and festivals, though..so I was a little more consistent than SDAs but not much...and I had a nutty prophet too.
If you are using Isaiah 66 to prove that the Sabbath will be kept, then you must also apply the same logic to the festivals and New Moons, or you are being inconsistent.
This is exactly what I did as a Sabbatarian...I ignored the "new moons" part and only focused on the Sabbath and festivals, though..so I was a little more consistent than SDAs but not much...and I had a nutty prophet too.
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And, by the way, even the SDAs know that the "Roman Catholic Church" thing is a myth. All they have to do is read their own historian, Samuele Bacchiocchi. He wrote a book on the Sabbath and it's history, and he rejected the view that the Roman Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
Virtually no Christians except heretical Ebionites were observing it by AD130. The reasons related to Jewish persecution and not the Roman Catholic Church. In fact, Rome was only one bishopric of many, and only later began to declare their superiority.
So, you have to be a historical ignoramus to make the claims that Sabbathkeepers make in this regard.
Virtually no Christians except heretical Ebionites were observing it by AD130. The reasons related to Jewish persecution and not the Roman Catholic Church. In fact, Rome was only one bishopric of many, and only later began to declare their superiority.
So, you have to be a historical ignoramus to make the claims that Sabbathkeepers make in this regard.
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So sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations that was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) has not changed? The old covenant remains intact? According to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36 then, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Is this going on in your church? 
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458
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So sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations that was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) has not changed? The old covenant remains intact? According to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36 then, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Is this going on in your church?
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458
Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458
Are you saying that the Sabbath isn't mentioned at all in the Book of the Covenant?
If you are claiming that, you need to get new eyeglasses.
Also, check out Leviticus 23, where it is mentioned in the SAME CONTEXT as the festivals.
And, yes, believers do obey Jesus in all things given to THEM. Not to ancient Israel.
That's the shell game that Sabbathkeepers try to play...
And, there are teachings within the Book of the Covenant that are obvious moral issues, including prohibitions against incest.
You CANNOT divide out the Ten Commandments from the Book of the Covenant like SDAs try to do.
The Book of the Covenant is largely elaboration on the Ten Commandments. The kings of Israel were required to write them out on paper to embed them in their minds. This is because it showed how to apply them. For instance, incest is an expansion of the law concerning adultery.
This splitting of the Ten Commandments and the Book of the Covenant is an unbiblical one. There is one unified law.
And, slandering non-Sabbatarians about being unconcerned with disobedience is a simple lie of Sabbathkeepers. They are concerned with obedience, even more so than SDAs in many cases. SDAs are obsessed with shallow issues like days and diets, like most other Judaizers. That's been my experience, as an ex-Judaizer.
If you are claiming that, you need to get new eyeglasses.
Also, check out Leviticus 23, where it is mentioned in the SAME CONTEXT as the festivals.
And, yes, believers do obey Jesus in all things given to THEM. Not to ancient Israel.
That's the shell game that Sabbathkeepers try to play...
And, there are teachings within the Book of the Covenant that are obvious moral issues, including prohibitions against incest.
You CANNOT divide out the Ten Commandments from the Book of the Covenant like SDAs try to do.
The Book of the Covenant is largely elaboration on the Ten Commandments. The kings of Israel were required to write them out on paper to embed them in their minds. This is because it showed how to apply them. For instance, incest is an expansion of the law concerning adultery.
This splitting of the Ten Commandments and the Book of the Covenant is an unbiblical one. There is one unified law.
And, slandering non-Sabbatarians about being unconcerned with disobedience is a simple lie of Sabbathkeepers. They are concerned with obedience, even more so than SDAs in many cases. SDAs are obsessed with shallow issues like days and diets, like most other Judaizers. That's been my experience, as an ex-Judaizer.
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Hebrews 4:8-10 ESV
[8] For if Joshua (Hebrew word for Iesous 'Jesus') had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. [9] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, [10] for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
You might consider that Eternal rest rather than the one that will perish with this Age...
2 Peter 3:10,12-13 ESV
[10] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. [12] waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! [13] But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
[8] For if Joshua (Hebrew word for Iesous 'Jesus') had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. [9] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, [10] for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
You might consider that Eternal rest rather than the one that will perish with this Age...
2 Peter 3:10,12-13 ESV
[10] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. [12] waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! [13] But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
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Well, I believe they have "good intentions", as far as the drones go (not the leaders), but they are fooled into believing their doctrines because they don't have a good knowledge of hermeneutics.
There is a booklet I attached called "Lying for God" that indicates SDA leadership knows better than what they are teaching though.
https://www.exadventist.com/portals/0/articles/LYING FOR GOD.pdf
One fundamental hermeneutic is to always read IN CONTEXT.
I gave an example of that with Hebrews.....those guys are blinded to Scripture because they aren't looking at the whole context of the book.
And, by the way, one of the main doctrines of SDAs is the "sanctuary doctrine". They claim that Jesus didn't even enter the Holy of Holies until AD 1844. And, at that time, he has begun to examine the records of every single person who has ever been born. These records were kept by an angel called the "recording angel". Jesus reads the record, and if there are any unrepented sins, the person is lost. If there are not, then they are saved. And, as he gets closer to the current day, those individuals he is examining are still alive. If they have no unrepentant sins, they are saved, and if they have any unrepentant sins, they are lost. Supposedly the saved ones continue to live sinless until Jesus returns somehow, because his verdict cannot be changed.
SDAs have a lot of mystery surrounding their "sanctuary doctrine". It is almost cultic. But, I can tell you that they really understand VERY LITTLE about the tabernacle and the Temple, and the important types behind it. I suggest reading Temple and Tabernacle by J. Daniel Hays, or God Dwells Among Us, by GK Beale, to understand the typology behind the Tabernacle and Temple.
It is VERY SIMPLE. It points toward God's desire to dwell with His people, and enjoying his Presence forever. Throughout time, there have been several types of this. One is the Garden of Eden...then the Tabernacle..then the Temple..then Jesus himself dwelling amongst His people...then the Church, where Jesus inhabits the believers through the mediation of the Holy Spirit..and finally, the New Heavens and New Earth, where God dwells with his people forever.
So, the Temple and the tabernacle point back to Eden, and forward to Jesus, his people, and the New Heavens and New Earth.
SDAs have assigned other meanings to this, that relates to the investigative judgment, and the Sanctuary doctrine. They would not understand this plain and basic teaching about the temple and the tabernacle, and in fact they deny it.
There is a booklet I attached called "Lying for God" that indicates SDA leadership knows better than what they are teaching though.
https://www.exadventist.com/portals/0/articles/LYING FOR GOD.pdf
One fundamental hermeneutic is to always read IN CONTEXT.
I gave an example of that with Hebrews.....those guys are blinded to Scripture because they aren't looking at the whole context of the book.
And, by the way, one of the main doctrines of SDAs is the "sanctuary doctrine". They claim that Jesus didn't even enter the Holy of Holies until AD 1844. And, at that time, he has begun to examine the records of every single person who has ever been born. These records were kept by an angel called the "recording angel". Jesus reads the record, and if there are any unrepented sins, the person is lost. If there are not, then they are saved. And, as he gets closer to the current day, those individuals he is examining are still alive. If they have no unrepentant sins, they are saved, and if they have any unrepentant sins, they are lost. Supposedly the saved ones continue to live sinless until Jesus returns somehow, because his verdict cannot be changed.
SDAs have a lot of mystery surrounding their "sanctuary doctrine". It is almost cultic. But, I can tell you that they really understand VERY LITTLE about the tabernacle and the Temple, and the important types behind it. I suggest reading Temple and Tabernacle by J. Daniel Hays, or God Dwells Among Us, by GK Beale, to understand the typology behind the Tabernacle and Temple.
It is VERY SIMPLE. It points toward God's desire to dwell with His people, and enjoying his Presence forever. Throughout time, there have been several types of this. One is the Garden of Eden...then the Tabernacle..then the Temple..then Jesus himself dwelling amongst His people...then the Church, where Jesus inhabits the believers through the mediation of the Holy Spirit..and finally, the New Heavens and New Earth, where God dwells with his people forever.
So, the Temple and the tabernacle point back to Eden, and forward to Jesus, his people, and the New Heavens and New Earth.
SDAs have assigned other meanings to this, that relates to the investigative judgment, and the Sanctuary doctrine. They would not understand this plain and basic teaching about the temple and the tabernacle, and in fact they deny it.
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We are not going to keep the sabbath day in heaven for it only applies to this earth, and only in the Old Testament, and also it has to with things of the physical nature where heaven is spiritual.
Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints the New Jerusalem.
Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you which is by the Spirit which when a person receives the Spirit they belong to that kingdom and not to the earth.
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
The saints do not belong to this earth but they belong to the kingdom of God the place that Jesus went away to prepare the New Jerusalem.
So they do not have to abide by the physical sabbath but it is a spiritual sabbath, a spiritual rest by the Spirit.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Which in the New Testament with stammering lips and another tongue God will speak to this people saying this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing.
Yet they would not hear.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Which Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation, which include the sabbath days.
So let no person judge you in the physical ordinances of Israel for we do not abide by them which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ which when a person receives the Spirit then they are spiritual and the physical ordinances cannot do anything to provide, or help out in salvation.
Which the Bible speaks that a saint is part of the body of Christ while on earth in case someone wants to say we are only part of the body in Christ in heaven, and when a person is born again they are spiritual which is done on this earth.
To say the physical sabbath is still in affect for us today to obey would mean we are still natural and not spiritual but we know we are spiritual for the kingdom of God is within us, we are born again, and part of the body of Christ, and the Bible says that God reveals the kingdom to us.
Jesus said upon Peter He would build His Church which Peter was added to the Church after Jesus Christ who is the chief cornerstone of the building, which all the Church is built upon Christ but Peter was the first person added to the Church, so Peter was already built upon Christ while on earth so he was spiritual which he is part of the body of Christ and does not have to abide by the physical sabbath.
The physical ordinances were only a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ and spiritual so the physical ordinances do not apply, and the saints belong to the new earth the New Jerusalem and not the earth.
Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints the New Jerusalem.
Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you which is by the Spirit which when a person receives the Spirit they belong to that kingdom and not to the earth.
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
The saints do not belong to this earth but they belong to the kingdom of God the place that Jesus went away to prepare the New Jerusalem.
So they do not have to abide by the physical sabbath but it is a spiritual sabbath, a spiritual rest by the Spirit.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Which in the New Testament with stammering lips and another tongue God will speak to this people saying this is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest, and this is the refreshing.
Yet they would not hear.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Which Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation, which include the sabbath days.
So let no person judge you in the physical ordinances of Israel for we do not abide by them which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ which when a person receives the Spirit then they are spiritual and the physical ordinances cannot do anything to provide, or help out in salvation.
Which the Bible speaks that a saint is part of the body of Christ while on earth in case someone wants to say we are only part of the body in Christ in heaven, and when a person is born again they are spiritual which is done on this earth.
To say the physical sabbath is still in affect for us today to obey would mean we are still natural and not spiritual but we know we are spiritual for the kingdom of God is within us, we are born again, and part of the body of Christ, and the Bible says that God reveals the kingdom to us.
Jesus said upon Peter He would build His Church which Peter was added to the Church after Jesus Christ who is the chief cornerstone of the building, which all the Church is built upon Christ but Peter was the first person added to the Church, so Peter was already built upon Christ while on earth so he was spiritual which he is part of the body of Christ and does not have to abide by the physical sabbath.
The physical ordinances were only a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ and spiritual so the physical ordinances do not apply, and the saints belong to the new earth the New Jerusalem and not the earth.
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I don't keep either Saturday or Sunday, but worship God every day. I begin each day with prayer and the reading of God's word and meditate on Him and His word continually.
Jesus kept the Sabbath, because he was under the law and in fact fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law, satisfying it completely. Jesus rescued us from the curse of the Law. Have you never read "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."
The Law is Holy and righteous, but we are unable to keep it and it condemns us when we break it.
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So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
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Anyone who is counting on the keeping of the Sabbath, abstaining from certain foods, or keeping feasts or any other part of the law as a requirement for salvation will not inherit the kingdom of God, because they are not trusting in Christ for their salvation, but their own works.
If you are worshiping God on a specific day, then that is good. If you consider every day the same, then that is good as well. But don't believe and teach the keeping of a specific day as a requirement for salvation.
Out of the seven letters to the churches there is not one rebuke from the Lord about not keeping the Sabbath day. In fact, you will not find the word Sabbath anywhere in the book of Revelation.
By the way, the antichrist is not here yet. His changing of the set times and laws will take place when he shows up.
Jesus kept the Sabbath, because he was under the law and in fact fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law, satisfying it completely. Jesus rescued us from the curse of the Law. Have you never read "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."
The Law is Holy and righteous, but we are unable to keep it and it condemns us when we break it.
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So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
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Anyone who is counting on the keeping of the Sabbath, abstaining from certain foods, or keeping feasts or any other part of the law as a requirement for salvation will not inherit the kingdom of God, because they are not trusting in Christ for their salvation, but their own works.
If you are worshiping God on a specific day, then that is good. If you consider every day the same, then that is good as well. But don't believe and teach the keeping of a specific day as a requirement for salvation.
Out of the seven letters to the churches there is not one rebuke from the Lord about not keeping the Sabbath day. In fact, you will not find the word Sabbath anywhere in the book of Revelation.
By the way, the antichrist is not here yet. His changing of the set times and laws will take place when he shows up.
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ALL OF THE DISCIPLE Paul keep it, In one place Paul keep it For about a year and a haft, Straight , When you say that we are not GOING to keep the SABBATH in HEAVEN, YOU are JUST calling GOD a LIER, THE BIBLE says They will in Isaiah 66:22-23, Let GOD be the TRUTH and ever MAN a LIER, WHEN HE don't agree with the BIBLE, ISAIAH 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. If you want to have LIGHT, YOU haft to speak according to the BIBLE
GOD bless as HE sees fit
GOD bless as HE sees fit
Paul observed many things that were Jewish in nature, such as a purification ceremony in Acts 21. He was a Jew, and he could continue to observe Jewish customs if he wanted.
Additionally, Paul used the public assemblies on the Sabbath to reach people..they were already there on the Sabbath so he taught them, both Jew and Gentile. By the way, why were Gentiles there?
There were a class of Gentiles called God-fearers who attended Synagogue but did not submit to physical circumcision. They had a great interest in spiritual things.
It was Paul's practice to use synagogues to preach, as long as he could, and when he was eventually thrown out, a church would be founded in the area.
By the way, Christians met in synagogues, but they also met alone, away from the Jews, in order to observe the Lord's Supper and to discuss Scriptures in a Christian context. Scripture records Sunday meetings, too...and the Judaizers hate that
No Christian pastors were free to force Gentiles to observe the Sabbath, and nor was it an issue in the early church, or you would see references by Paul about disputes regarding it, more than the few references like Romans 14.
The issue was already decided in Acts 15.
Regarding the New Heavens and New Earth, you are skipping the part about the same chapters referring to New Moons and festivals, which SDAs do not observe. And, the prophets also indicate that individuals will be offering animal sacrifices for sin.
How do you deal with this? How can you use references made by the prophets to prove keeping the weekly Sabbath, but fail to refer to the New Moons and festivals?
Of course, you know they are inconsistencies and that is why you aren't addressing me now
Additionally, Paul used the public assemblies on the Sabbath to reach people..they were already there on the Sabbath so he taught them, both Jew and Gentile. By the way, why were Gentiles there?
There were a class of Gentiles called God-fearers who attended Synagogue but did not submit to physical circumcision. They had a great interest in spiritual things.
It was Paul's practice to use synagogues to preach, as long as he could, and when he was eventually thrown out, a church would be founded in the area.
By the way, Christians met in synagogues, but they also met alone, away from the Jews, in order to observe the Lord's Supper and to discuss Scriptures in a Christian context. Scripture records Sunday meetings, too...and the Judaizers hate that
No Christian pastors were free to force Gentiles to observe the Sabbath, and nor was it an issue in the early church, or you would see references by Paul about disputes regarding it, more than the few references like Romans 14.
The issue was already decided in Acts 15.
Regarding the New Heavens and New Earth, you are skipping the part about the same chapters referring to New Moons and festivals, which SDAs do not observe. And, the prophets also indicate that individuals will be offering animal sacrifices for sin.
How do you deal with this? How can you use references made by the prophets to prove keeping the weekly Sabbath, but fail to refer to the New Moons and festivals?
Of course, you know they are inconsistencies and that is why you aren't addressing me now
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You see, many arguments Sabbathkeepers make sound convincing at the surface level, but when a person has a fuller knowledge of Scripture, the cracks are apparent.
If someone really wants to refute their position, I suggest reading Hebrews, Galatians, and Romans...poring over each word and verse carefully.
By the way, many of Paul's letters contain references to Judaizers that tried to upset the Gentiles..Philippians 3 calls them dogs...another reference is "those of the circumcision"..."the circumcision party"....etcetera. When your eyes are opened, you will see that there was a massive attempt for unsaved Jews to bring Christians under their control.
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By the way, folks, I would highly recommend studying the Mosaic Law, and how the death of Christ affected it...
Here are the primary texts I would look at:
Acts 15
2 Cor 3
Ephesians 2:13-15
Hebrews 7-8
Galatians 3-4
Romans 7:1-6
Notice that 2 Cor 3, Hebrews 7-8 is definitely referring to "words written on stone"...which is talking about the Ten Commandments.
Now, am I saying that the Ten Commandments are not a measure of sin? No, I am not saying that...9 of the commandments are moral in nature, and the Sabbath is ceremonial/ritualistic.
And, the Book of the Covenant contains both moral and ceremonial/ritualistic and civil aspects, as I have indicated. It is a mixed basket.
Of course, a real believer wants to please his Lord, and doesn't want to abuse his fellow man. He is being conformed to the image of Christ. But, this image of Christ has nothing to do with days and diet. Gentiles were not sinning by failing to observe the Saturday Sabbath, and eating pork.
They would be sinning if they were involved in idolatry, sexual immorality, thievery, lying, etcetera. Those practices are objectively sinful, transgressions of God's moral law.
By the way, even fallen man is aware that these practices are sinful. However, they feel no guilt over failing to keep the Sabbath.
I do think that the Sabbath has a valid principle, though....it is certainly a command of Christ that believers fellowship together. Slaves didn't always have that opportunity, though. Were they sinning by not keeping the Sabbath in the SDA mandated manner? No...they didn't have a choice.
Additionally, Sunday is the day of the resurrection, and it is perfectly appropriate for believers to observe it. Jesus' resurrection was the beginning of a much bigger harvest of all believers. He was the beginning of a new creation, in the sense of his resurrection body. And, this relates to the meaning of Sunday, which is the "eighth day"...the number "eight" in Scripture is one of new beginnings.
By the way, realize that when you buy into Sabbathkeeper arguments, they will seek to control your diet..if anyone claims that SDAs don't teach a "health gospel", they are being untruthful. And, it is historically accurate that they believed that eating meat and certain other substances cause masturbation and nymphomania. Even hot cereal, ketchup, caffeine and spices.
And they are not the only ones that require adherence to dietary requirements..the Sabbathkeeper group I came from did the same thing. When you study it carefully, though, you will realize that they don't follow the other clean/unclean laws (there are others), but only the ones relating to diet.
These groups are all about days and diet..that is what they will continually harp about, and judge others over. SDAs won't tell you that aborting a Down's Syndrome child is a heinous sin, though, because their rules say that is fine.
Here are the primary texts I would look at:
Acts 15
2 Cor 3
Ephesians 2:13-15
Hebrews 7-8
Galatians 3-4
Romans 7:1-6
Notice that 2 Cor 3, Hebrews 7-8 is definitely referring to "words written on stone"...which is talking about the Ten Commandments.
Now, am I saying that the Ten Commandments are not a measure of sin? No, I am not saying that...9 of the commandments are moral in nature, and the Sabbath is ceremonial/ritualistic.
And, the Book of the Covenant contains both moral and ceremonial/ritualistic and civil aspects, as I have indicated. It is a mixed basket.
Of course, a real believer wants to please his Lord, and doesn't want to abuse his fellow man. He is being conformed to the image of Christ. But, this image of Christ has nothing to do with days and diet. Gentiles were not sinning by failing to observe the Saturday Sabbath, and eating pork.
They would be sinning if they were involved in idolatry, sexual immorality, thievery, lying, etcetera. Those practices are objectively sinful, transgressions of God's moral law.
By the way, even fallen man is aware that these practices are sinful. However, they feel no guilt over failing to keep the Sabbath.
I do think that the Sabbath has a valid principle, though....it is certainly a command of Christ that believers fellowship together. Slaves didn't always have that opportunity, though. Were they sinning by not keeping the Sabbath in the SDA mandated manner? No...they didn't have a choice.
Additionally, Sunday is the day of the resurrection, and it is perfectly appropriate for believers to observe it. Jesus' resurrection was the beginning of a much bigger harvest of all believers. He was the beginning of a new creation, in the sense of his resurrection body. And, this relates to the meaning of Sunday, which is the "eighth day"...the number "eight" in Scripture is one of new beginnings.
By the way, realize that when you buy into Sabbathkeeper arguments, they will seek to control your diet..if anyone claims that SDAs don't teach a "health gospel", they are being untruthful. And, it is historically accurate that they believed that eating meat and certain other substances cause masturbation and nymphomania. Even hot cereal, ketchup, caffeine and spices.
And they are not the only ones that require adherence to dietary requirements..the Sabbathkeeper group I came from did the same thing. When you study it carefully, though, you will realize that they don't follow the other clean/unclean laws (there are others), but only the ones relating to diet.
These groups are all about days and diet..that is what they will continually harp about, and judge others over. SDAs won't tell you that aborting a Down's Syndrome child is a heinous sin, though, because their rules say that is fine.
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