Not By Works

Me and Paul and the writer of Hebrews (Paul?).
I posted the scriptures.

Jesus don't need no hep savin' peoples. He just be askin' us to hold on to what he dun gave us.

It certainly doesn't conflict with

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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God doesn't need evidence.


Works at most can count as "evidence" and only before another "man" which has been stated many times.


Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us.

Elo falsely said God needs proof.


Others with bias and blindfolds jumped in and caused division.



Eg is stating that EVIDENCE is not PROOF and this argument is "fruitless".


We are saved by grace and get our assurance from Gods promises and know we are His by His works in us.



Yes, we can see the "fruits" of the self righteous who look to SELF to justify themself as righteous.

We can also see the lack of works (which some may call fruits) in fellow brothers and sisters and not see what God sees.

Jesus gave and has "sealed" our salvation so there is nothing more for our salvation we can do. One cannot "hold onto" what has been offered, accepted, given and sealed unto eternal life. Me thinks you work too hard to convince people they have to "hold onto" what is there forever and ever.

You teach Pop Christianity, a sure Hell way.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Anyone watch the Democratic debate’s last night? Mike Bloomberg experienced what it’s like to exist without grace. And no amount of works will establish grace.

True Religion is described by Elohim/God in Genesis to Revelations.

Eleven proclaims the full magnitude of God’s grace, and it’s beautiful.

I think of the prodigal son.

In the world
most likely in some sort of sin
not even involved in any body

can we know them by their fruit? (as a true child of God who is not walking as apposed to a non believer who is acting his nature?)

I was watching it last night. They were really going after Bloomberg in what was spoken.

My post was not directed at you migo.....

Total oxymoronic theological viewpoint.

1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Indeed, glad to say that we are Silly/Foolish in the eyes of you Greeks. Being Carnal, you know not the things of the Spirit of God.

Oh I fully agree.....The ONLY WORK required to be saved is the WORK of the Heavenly Father....BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT....Salvation and bearing fruit/works/ ongoing sanctification are two totally opposite sides of the coin and the latter is subject to growth, maturity and transformation per Rimans 12:1-2.....some men, yeah I dare to say MANY saved children of God produce little based upon a lack of the latter side of the coin described above!

I have seen your hypocritical flavor of Chriatianity rip churches right down the middle and or turn more people off from the truth than a sinner saved by grace received and given time to mature, transform and change.....God knows how to whip and his judgement is sure and true....Hypocrites that sit in the High seats of judging and accusing are usually the first ones that need to be removed!!

If this was aimed at me, it was idiotic....I just came back from a 3 month stay in Australia, have jet lag from a 17 hour flight, and have had no sleep due to my biological clock....so...both you and your mouthy Calvin worshipping pal can back slap each other all you want......!

Hahhaah the Calvin worshipping mud slinger addressed me.....how about another reconciliation letter behind the scenes while mouthing openly hypocrite.....No thanks.......I danced with you once already and that broken record will not be played again......Try some humility....and just for once put the bible above Calvin.....!

As far as his wife....did he openly ask prayer for her or maybe us sinners are not good enough to pray for her.....??

James 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.


This fourth type of person, similar to third, studies the Scriptures for themselves and see what they want to see and not the Original True Teachings. They than disseminate this False Teaching believing that they are among the few that have the Original Doctrine.

Summarised:
4) The few not part of the mainstream Denominational and Non-Denominational churches deceived by the Satan/Devil and deluded into believing that they are in the Truth and are actually devouring Elohim's/God's sheep.

Can you or any other member on these forums think of an essential fifth type of person?

WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.........

Saved is saved BEFORE ANY and ALL WORK........

Calvin has led you down a path of faith plus works for........
Describe works of wood, hay and stubble and how they PROOVE salvation......we will all wait.....what did Calvin say.....oh wait.....I mean the bible!

Works of wood, hay and stubble <<-the monkey wrench in your dogma!