Not By Works

That is hilarious coming from you wben you just STATED WORKS ARE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHILE QUOTING A SCRIPTURE that states NOT IF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST........

Lay off the juice pal before you post!

You landed on a thread that is PLUM FULL OF OSAS GENUINE BELIEVERS, who are capable of defending their beliefs with the SCRIPTURE that Supports OSAS. So you may want to go peddle your works righteousness so-called beliefs ELSEWHERE. BUT before you go, we BELIEVE the FOLLOWING VERSES Literally, and PAY CLOSE attention to the FIRST Scripture on the LIST:


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us — not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 4:3-5 (NET)
3 For what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous,
his faith is credited as righteousness.

Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV)
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. {🡸 There is a major OSAS VERSE!}

Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

1 Corinthians 15:10 (HCSB)
10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:5 (HCSB)
5 ⌊It is⌋ not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves,
but our competence is from God.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him
[Long before you can do your first work, so Obedience is Part of your Agape Love, that you do after you are SAVED.],
you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

2 Timothy 2:19 (ESV)
19 But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

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We teach that Obedience has NEVER been part of Salvation, HOWEVER,
Obedience is something we want to do as part of Our AGAPE LOVE, Rom. 5:5.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me [Born Again], you will keep My commands.

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,


Only Obedience that is done out of Agape LOVE, is accepted by GOD. Those deeds have NOTHING to do with SALVATION or maintaining it. They have to be strictly because we LOVE HIM, OR they are nothing by wood, hay, or stubble at best, OR just Filthy Rags at worst.

Some how I knew that.

I love this: Only when one lies fallen in the dust in complete humility can one see clearly that the fallen state of mankind everywhere is not primarily in need of an example, but a savior.

I don't profess a demomination but I would agree we both only have God to thank for our salvation and He gets all the glory for anything good that comes from us as a product of His works in us


I haven't seen you before but welcome to cc😁


Always glad to meet someone else who is grateful to Christ opposed to desperately attempting to earn His favor through their own efforts...

WOW, a real Calvinist, I was beginning to think they were Extinct. WELCOME ABOARD.

Most of us here believe less than the 5 points of Calvinism, and most of us are Born Again, evangelical types of Christians. I only believe in 3 of the 5 points of Calvinism. As far as OSAS, most of us Believe in that too. If you read my above post #128,042, those verses summarize our belief in OSAS.

I am rapidly approaching the expression, "Older Than Dirt". I will be 71 in a week.

You said: Smile, if you are a child of God and know it.

I smile every time I think of HIM, since HE Saved ME!

Welcome again!

Welcome. Just got back after a ten year hiatus, and this is the first forum I joined. Just recently even.

Technically Calvinism isn't a denomination, and usually refers to the adherence to the Canons of Dort, which Calvin, while he may have agreed with, was dead long before they arrived. Calvinism as a belief is largely prevalent in Reformed and Presbyterian circles, and even exists in some degree within the Baptist ranks...

My bad, lol.

I have had people call me a calvinist and I resist it.


I'd rather discuss scripture and why we believe what we believe with no assumptions or lumping eachother into a box.


I've resisted the term "osas" before, even though I trust that God keeps His children by His power without fail.

I have heard people say "calvinists/osas believe...." then make a bunch of strawmen and try to argue against those instead of discuss the verses in question...🤦‍♂️

I try not to use the word "Calvinist" either, but sometimes I do. I usually just say "I was raised reformed, and still hold to those beliefs." And to be honest I can't always answer every question that comes my way.

Explain the following....

MANY are called, but few are chosen.

MANY does not equal all
FEW of the MANY is even less

Explain why the number if FEW if MANY are called.....!

I cannot get beyond the following.....if the Calvinistic view is correct


MANY are called, but few are chosen.

MANY does not equal all
FEW of the MANY is even less

Explain why the number if FEW if MANY are called.....!

If I'm going to respond, I want to do so with careful consideration. Also, I know the verse, but I can't remember where it is. I will look it up, but maybe you can speed up the process?

Scratch that, found it.

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Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

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Oh, I appreciate that, will look it up.

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I think the organization, is Baptist that put it out. But they have a Lot of Evangelical types of Pastors that put their books on it. Yes, most of those are for sale, BUT WATCH THEIR SALES, it is not unusual to find a half price sale. Some are cheap and some are expensive, they let the Author's set the price. All the Out of Copyright Books are FREE. Some of those are Precious JEWELS from years gone by, you will be amazed at what you can find in their FREE BOOKS section. Even Art Works, like GUSTAVE DORE drawings are available. The book is called DORE'S WOODCUTS, and yes it is free. FREE BIBLES that you can get are KJV, HCSB, CSB, ASV, etc. Other Versions, most are only $9.95.

I stopped saying I was baptist back when I was a baptist, because people would continue to say oh well you believe this then ( which was not true) so I would just say I was christians

i now go to non denominational church