If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the SABBATH from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [Blessed is the man, not just the Jews,] There is nothing in the BIBLE that changed the SABBATH, If it was HOLY then, it is HOLY NOW. sunday is a working day in the BIBLE, And is NOT HOLY at ALL,

SABBATARIANS ASK FOR ONE TEXT IN THE BIBLE THAT COMMANDS SUNDAY WORSHIP, HERE IT IS:

LEVITICUS 23:5-11 - Look at verse 11: "'And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.'" The day after the Sabbath is Sunday.

If you think this is only applying to "ceremonial" days, Leviticus 23 starts out talking about the weekly Sabbath (see Lev. 23:1-4). It is called an appointed time and a holy convocation, along with all the other feast days of Israel. No distinction is made by God between these holy days and the weekly Sabbath. He includes them as being equally holy. This would mean that under the Old Covenant the First Fruits Sunday and the Pentecost Sunday were as holy and sanctified as Saturday.

If you think this only applies to Israel, that's our point. The Ten Commandment Covenant, --the Old Covenant was made with Israel, and NOT with the Gentiles.

Look at Exodus 31:13, 16 and 17: "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you....So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever;..."

https://www.exadventist.com/Home/Sabbath/SabbathSunday/tabid/516/Default.aspx

These where Done away at the cross, Like COL 3:14 tells us, And Was in Moses, hand writings, Was part of the things that pointed to Christ. The SABBATH GO's all the way back to Creation, And before there was sin, And the COMMANDMENT THAT JESUS wrote with HIS own finger, GOD tells us to keep the 7th day HOLY, The Catholic Church tells us to keep the day that they worship the sun on, GOD says it a working day , not the HOLY day' GOD bless as sees fit

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Seventh Day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? - https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

I have been ignoring his stuff. Not much to see in CC lately it’s like it has gone downhill

This sounds like a Seventh Day Adventist position.

Colossians 2:16-17 places the weekly Sabbath in the same grouping as the annual festivals and new moons.

If anyone is concerned about this, I would read the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff.

Seventh Day Adventists have invested a lot of time and effort into refutation of Colossians 2:16-17, however their explanations are incoherent. Basically they try to claim that the weekly Sabbath is not included in these verses, because they know if it is, their position regarding the Sabbath is incoherent.

I would also challenge them on this: their health care facilities are performing elective abortions on women. Why are they butchering babies, all the time being insistent that the Fourth Commandment applies, and that having services on the LORD's day is idolatry?

By the way, I used to be a Sabbathkeeper. I was raised in a Sabbathkeeper church, and I became a baptized member of it. It sounds like a correct position on a superficial level, however, upon closer scrutiny the position fails.

The issue is this: the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect. Certainly the moral aspects of the Law are pertinent to godly behavior, and thus are not something a real believer would want to violate. But, throwing days and diets into the moral category is incoherent.

And, they are being selective on their observance of days, and the manner they are observed as well.

By the way, the Sabbath issue can be deeply divisive. Some Sabbatarians consider non-observers to be unsaved. At the least, their organizations almost uniformly believe they represent the true faith.

In the organization I belonged to, I didn't consider anyone outside of the Church to be saved.

I also find it amusing that when I have taken a non-Sabbatarian position on forums, at different times SDAs have called me an undercover Jesuit priest

Some of them are really paranoid about that..they probably sit on the toilet reading Alexander Hislop's "Two Babylons" which is where a lot of this comes from. Hislop was not a Sabbatarian, but his view of Roman Catholicism corresponds pretty much with the SDA view of them.

Anyways, Colossians 2:16-17 pretty much destroys the Sabbathkeeper argument. Of course, the SDAs have created complicated, convoluted explanations on this, but they don't hold water. Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff would show you the problem with their exegesis of these verses.

And, generally when you delve deeper into Sabbathkeeper theology, you will find other issues..for instance, many SDAs are not truly Trinitarian. Their view of the Trinity is more like tri-theism.

Additionally, they do not believe that Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies until AD 1844. Apparently they haven't read the book of Hebrews.

Yes, it's the same ol' same ol'.

Heaven is the Sabbath. Have you never read the expression, "While theree is still what is called time?" It is an interesting meditation

By the way...how can you keep the Sabbath in heaven? It is dependent upon being at a certain location on earth according to Sabbathkeepers..it is observed sunset to sunset.

LOL

And, if a particular 24 hour slot is considered holy, then why isn't the entire world observing it at exactly the same time?

That is NOT how Sabbathkeepers observe the Sabbath...they observe it from sunset to sunset.

So, a Sabbathkeeper in one country can observe it in an entirely different day than another.

By the way..funny thing...Ellen G. White declared certain regions with long days and long nights, like Alaska, to be off limits to Sabbatarians because it shows the problems with their belief system.

Many people read the Word but do not atually believe all of it. If a person is blessed for doing a specific work of God, it is dubbad a law and the person is labled a sabbath-keeping slave to the law. Kind of nuts since the Word is Jesus and from Him.

Think about what the word sabbath means.

Then think about Matthew 11:28

See if anything goes "click" into place...

thought the same myself...if you try to start a good thread, resident trolls turn it into a free for all

we have hyper Calvinists and Catholics in denial of what they believe

and expert Bible teachers that cannot spell simple words but throw verses like spears

I actually miss some folks I didn't always agree with but at least they were able to hold a decent conversation of why or why not

we could have a simple math quiz to detect if folks are able to put 2 + 2 together

if they come up with 3 or 5, we know they cannot connect the dots

Sunday rolls around every seventh day. Every seventh day is to be a day of rest. I suppose some think it more fun to pick fights about every little jot and tittle.

17!!!

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Wait...

If I claimed those dots were connected, I'd be line.

22!

I don't view it any different than physical circumcision, but if you want to do it, fine

Most people don't stop at that..they want to teach others that it is a requirement.

The issue is that we believe it is on the same par with physical circumcision...and believe it or not some Judaizers believe they need to be physically circumcised too.

"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Believers are not saved by keeping the Sabbath or any of the other laws. Don't you think that if the Sabbath was a requirement for salvation that it would continually repeated throughout the NT?

To use your own reasoning, if the Law was holy then, it is holy now, yet we cannot be saved by observing it. The Law is righteous and holy, but mankind was/is unable to keep it because of our sinful nature. Jesus fulfilled it on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely. So now all who believe have been credited with righteousness and reconciled to God through faith.

Anyone who trusts in keeping the Sabbath, or feasts, or by keeping the law to obtain salvation, will never inherit the kingdom of God. Our focus should be on Jesus and what He accomplished for us.

that would make perfect sense to some

nice even number though

if I stare at it long enough, I get 11

According to the prophetess Ellen G. White, I am doomed anyways as an ex Sabbathkeeper.

Her visions included one which told her all people who were Sabbathkeepers, and stopped keeping it, are lost.

I don't know how widespread this knowledge is, but Ellen G. White got hit in the head with a rock and almost died as a young lady. The type of damage she sustained is known to affect the brain and to cause hallucinations.

Her family claimed that she lifted a huge Bible in one hand, and preached from it..as well, they claimed she stopped breathing for hours at a time.

If their claims were true (which I doubt), I am guessing she was demonically influenced.