Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

Well we know this, Jesus is not going to send His bride through His wrath first and then gather her afterwards to take her to the Father's house. If He did this, what difference would there be between the those in Christ and the wicked, if they both suffer the same thing?

Paul called the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him the blessed hope. Likewise, after giving a detailed description of the living in Christ being changed immortal and glorified and caught up to meet the Lord in the air, he said, "therefore, comfort each other with these words. If the church had to first go through God's unprecedented wrath before being gathered, it would be no blessed hope. Neither would believers have anything to comfort each other about.

You and others need to understand that there is a difference between the common trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would experience vs. God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is the latter that believers are not appointed to suffer. That coming wrath will be poured out upon a Christ rejecting world, not those who have already believed in Christ.

For everyone who believes, Christ was held accountable for their sins. He took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. By believing and teaching that God is going to put His church through His wrath, you dishonor Jesus who already satisfied it.

One of the on-going errors for your belief, is not understanding that God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. Also, you do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath and the purpose of it. By the time Jesus returns to the earth, the majority of the earths population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled. And you people think that God is going to leave His church on the earth to experience His wrath right along with the wicked?

As I previously stated, the Lord made a promise to all believers that after He was going to the Father's house to prepare places for us and that He was coming back to get us so that we could be where He is, which is the Father's house (heaven). We have revelation showing us that the bride/church will be in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb and receiving our fine linen. And then after that, we will be following the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses. Yet you still don't believe the scriptures!

I know that I am wasting my time, because once you have adopted these false teachings, you are unteachable and just continue to offer up apologetic after apologetic in support of that belief.

I thank God that my Lord has already suffered God's wrath on my and every believers behalf, so that God's wrath no longer rests upon us. You and others however are not having faith in His promise, but are instead looking to go through His wrath, as though it was an honorable thing to do. It's not! His wrath is for those who have rejected Him.

The wicked is slayed by the brightness of HIS coming, That is before the resurrection of the dead in CHRIST

Are the wicked running around loose unbundled? When’s the harvest or has it been?

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Hmm not sure on the whole earth, the inhabitants enter the thickets and climb among the rocks and the birds fled don’t think it says slain in Jeremiah if that what your referring to

Jeremiah 4
29Every city flees at the sound of the horseman and archer. They enter the thickets and climb among the rocks. Every city is abandoned; no inhabitant is left.

What if the brightness of his coming is the conflagration of the universe mentioned by Peter?

But, everyone says that.

Being in agreement is such a good thing

It fits both ways

I already said that.

So let's carry it on out.

Where is this group that gets wiped out at the start fitting into the start of the gt, because Jesus shifts from after/during to "before".
Noah is a preflood dynamic in that example of Jesus,as well as "eating and drinking" (normal life) THEN CAME THE FLOOD.
Nothing post/after...totally pre/or beginning.

And in that same analogy of Jesus is inserted one taken/ left.

So we see a group taken away pretrib.
Who is TAKEN pretrib.

IOW we see what happens when "they" is transposed as wicked destroyed pretrib
...it makes no sense and does not fit anything.

Now let's see if "and knew not until the flood came"
Fits the ark people or the heathen.

Neither group were aware of what was happening at the time. Those in the boat could hear the rain,and those outside saw a huge deluge.

Both groups "knew" the flood when it came.
Both groups could imagine a boat corresponds to a lake/ocean.
Both saw all the animals go aboard. Both groups saw the gate/hatch close supernaturally and seal supernaturally.
Those outside moved to high ground and the boat floated before the people did.
So the flood took Noah FIRST.

As well as noah and family taken away....taken first if normal human behavior goes to higher ground

Where does that fit escatalogically in "millions/billions dying preflood/pretrib

Both groups are saved.

Every single example is 2 people paired off

Not really plausible to transpose righteous vs wicked arbitrarily when it makes no sense.

Noah was not left because the water took him First.
The boat floated before the water got the people who moved to higher ground continually as the water rose.

Plus the example is 100% pre flood or the start of the flood.

You need a post flood dynamic to make the "going into the kingdom" component work.

IOW you guys have no wicked entering the gt.
Only Gods people going through the gt.....not remotely possible

In rev 14 Jesus comes on a cloud and gathers ripe fruit.(an obvious rapture)

No such wicked taken first and mankind killed before he arrives.

In the "one taken/left behind",where is it designated either is wicked?

Hi Thanks

I would think in context of the parable the two women represent two covenants. One seen the temporal and one not seen the eternal.

Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:Mathew 24: 25-29

It is the last day .The Sun and Moon as temporal time jeepers are under the feet of the bride, no more night (Revelation 21)

I would offer in that series of parables beginning with the warning " Behold, I have told you before" informing us that cannon was coming to a close. as safeguard beforehand .from false prophets and false prophecy as oral traditions of men.

No one in the parable of two women literally leaves and disappears. Saying, now you do not see me. . later you will .

It is the last day .There is no expectation of Jesus putting on the flesh for another demonstration of the unseen work of our Father.

For wheresoever the dead spiritless, flesh and bones is there will the eagles or vultures as ceremonial unclean birds to represent unbelief or no faith, when they are gathered together.

I would think in that way we are to let the dead bury their own. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood and neither are we supported or built by it. We can plant the incorruptible seed he causes growth, if any.

The gospel was used as a demonstration of a unseen work. The Lamb slain from the foundation the six days God did work to give us rest from our own labor .Our promised Emanuel.

Flesh and blood, against flesh we could end up devouring one another. Then how could God send out his gospel . I would say pray for unity that when he does come he will find his faithful witness. His wife the church

Galatians 5:14-16 King James Version (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The two women I think would re-present the two covenants spoken of in Galatians 4 .

It's not designated. The purpose is to search the scripture. Jesus never designated directly to those who questioned Him Who He was. They were supposed to understand by studying the scriptures and identifying Him by what His miracles.

Yes, well stated and a revealing glimpse of scripture.

You can think what you like, but I don't believe that is a parable, nor do I believe the two women represent anything.