Who is the ones that is taken ? And who is the ones that are left ?

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TheDivineWatermark

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Agreed! Matthew 24:30-31 is not speaking about the gathering of the church, but of the angels going throughout the earth and first gathering the wicked (one's taken), following that the wheat will be gathered. At that time, the angels will be gathering the righteous who will have made it alive through the entire tribulation period. These, along with the remnant of Israel, will be those who will repopulate the millennial kingdom.
Yes, I fairly agree.

And like you say in your next post, AT THAT TIME (His Second Coming to the earth time-slot [Rev19]), it is [said to the angels] "gather ye FIRST the TARES"... but (may the reader note) this is in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of "our Rapture" event! ;)
 

Dino246

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Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field: the one taken and the other one left; Two grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken and the other left.
This passage is easily understood in context. Without its context, it is easily misunderstood.

37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

Who was taken when the flood came in Noah's time? The wicked. Following context, who will be taken when the Son of Man comes? The wicked.
 
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In a like passage, the wedding has already taken place. Christ and His bride, the Church, has been married and are returning to reign on the earth. I could not be the catching up of the Church.

Luke 12
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

The Lord is returning from a wedding which makes the thing 2nd Advent! In the passage the Son of man is likened to a thief and his coming is a night time coming to a house where the goodman is sleeping instead of watching. Christ was crucified between two thieves. One was taken, the other left.

Look In the strong's gr, # 105 on these eagles .they are vultures, they are there to eat the great supper that GOD has promise them. When HE come the DEAD lay from end of earth to the other end of the earth, These two here dose away with the rapture And there would believe what it says.
For the Lord will pass through touchsmart the Egyptian AM when he see if the blood of bones atlantel in on the tube side post the Lord will pass over the door in will not suffer the destroyer to come in until your house is to smack you
JEREMIAH 25:33 ,And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end the earth they shall not be lamented nor buried; they shell be dung upon the ground. There are a lot of BIBLE verses that tells us this is going to happen When JESUS COMES back.
 
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Yes, I fairly agree.

And like you say in your next post, AT THAT TIME (His Second Coming to the earth time-slot [Rev19]), it is [said to the angels] "gather ye FIRST the TARES"... but (may the reader note) this is in the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of "our Rapture" event! ;)
There IS not going to be rapture it is not even in the BIBLE , IT comes from the Jesuits which is part of the Catholic Church . GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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I've heard it both ways and both make sense. The one, only the wicked are taken and destroyed with the believers left VS the believers taken (Rapture) and the wicked left seems to make more sense to me now.
we are all wicked. Its the only because of the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross that makes us worthy. And the elect are the ones chosen by God before we were even born.
 

John146

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Hi John146!

Um, regarding the two who were crucified with Christ: one was not taken and the other left. If you look back at the context, both men died, with their bodies being buried and decaying. However, their spirits where conscious and aware in Hades, with Lazarus and the rich man being in two separate areas which were separated by a large chasm. When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the angels are sent out and they will be gathering those great tribulation saints who will have made it alive through the entire tribulation period.

The reference to "one taken" is referring to when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, where He sends out His angels and they first gather the weeds who will be killed (Mt.13:30, Rev.19:17-18, 21), then after that the wheat/righteous area gathered. These are those who will enter into the millennial kingdom and repopulate the earth.
They are types, not the exact thing. Btw, one soul was in Abraham’s bosom, the other soul in hell.😉
 
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So you don't believe JESUS when HE tells that the tares will be first HE really tells you twice 24:30-41, And if you don't beleive JESUS ,There is No body going to be able to help you. I will pray ,but until you can believe JESUS's , words it will be easy for Satan to keep you in his power. GOD Help you see , THAT JESUS is telling you the truth, And HE dose want you to see, the truth, in this. And all the others that has been drone into it.
 

John146

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Look In the strong's gr, # 105 on these eagles .they are vultures, they are there to eat the great supper that GOD has promise them. When HE come the DEAD lay from end of earth to the other end of the earth, These two here dose away with the rapture And there would believe what it says.
For the Lord will pass through touchsmart the Egyptian AM when he see if the blood of bones atlantel in on the tube side post the Lord will pass over the door in will not suffer the destroyer to come in until your house is to smack you
JEREMIAH 25:33 ,And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end the earth they shall not be lamented nor buried; they shell be dung upon the ground. There are a lot of BIBLE verses that tells us this is going to happen When JESUS COMES back.
The strong’s? Why would I do that when I’ve got the real deal?😉
 
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washburn Tn
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This is a correction of what I MISSED ABOVE. I DON"T HOW BUT I'M SORRY
I'M going to haft to look a little better
This was not right IT was to say, FOR the lord will pass through to smite the Egpyians , AND when HE seeth the BLOOD uponthe lintel. and on the two side posts the LORDD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your hoses to smite you . sorry I don't see it,
GOD bless as HE sees fit
 

TheDivineWatermark

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There IS not going to be rapture it is not even in the BIBLE , IT comes from the Jesuits which is part of the Catholic Church .
It is noted that you do not believe there will be a "Rapture" at all.


The idea presented in the second half of your sentence has been long debunked. ;)



[for the readers: Matthew 24:30-41 (and in fact the entire 2 chpts of Matt24 and 25) are set in the CONTEXT of the events surrounding His Second Coming to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (NOT covering the Subject of "our Rapture" at all, in this CONTEXT)]
 
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Flood came and took them all away = The wicked

One will be taken = The wicked

The "one taken" is being compared to those taken in the flood. Therefore, the "one taken" is not a blessed event, but is referring to the wicked who will be gathered by the angels to be killed. First gather the weeds!
Then the advice of Jesus to be ready and watch and pray is to stay.
Watch for my coming and stay.

Further,it says 2 are in a bed,one taken,the other left.
So you have a on fire christian in a bed with a person worshipping the devil(has taken the mark)

But before the flood is how Jesus describes the one taken.

A pretrib gathering. One taken ,raptured,one left behind.

Then practically in the next sentence Jesus gives the parable of the bride taken.

I would submit the one taken can not be any other dynamic than the pretrib rapture.

Preflood/prejudgment
2 righteous in a bed/rooftop/field/workplace
Watch and be ready

Plus if he is warning the wicked to be ready to leave.....nope that won't work.

Jesus is clearly speaking to the bride to be ready Preflood/prejudgement
 

Ahwatukee

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Then the advice of Jesus to be ready and watch and pray is to stay.
Watch for my coming and stay.
Hello Absolutely!

We have to remember that the end of age includes the gathering of the church, the time of God's wrath and the Lord's return to the earth. The entire process is the end of the age. The Lord's admonishment to watch and be ready, means to be in a faithful state for both the gathering of the church and when the Lord returns to the earth to establish His kingdom.

Further,it says 2 are in a bed,one taken,the other left.
So you have a on fire christian in a bed with a person worshipping the devil(has taken the mark)
The above is speaking metaphorically, not that two men will be in the same bed. Also, looking at the world today, do you actually think that half of the worlds population would be caught up? This would go against when Jesus said "For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Many entering through the wide gate opposed to a few entering the narrow gate, is not a 50/50 scenario.

Plus if he is warning the wicked to be ready to leave.....nope that won't work.

Jesus is clearly speaking to the bride to be ready Preflood/prejudgement
You still have the same problem in that, the "one taken" group is being compared to the one's taken in the flood, which is a wicked to wicked comparison, not wicked to righteous.
 
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They are types, not the exact thing. Btw, one soul was in Abraham’s bosom, the other soul in hell.😉
Think about
Hello Absolutely!

We have to remember that the end of age includes the gathering of the church, the time of God's wrath and the Lord's return to the earth. The entire process is the end of the age. The Lord's admonishment to watch and be ready, means to be in a faithful state for both the gathering of the church and when the Lord returns to the earth to establish His kingdom.



The above is speaking metaphorically, not that two men will be in the same bed. Also, looking at the world today, do you actually think that half of the worlds population would be caught up? This would go against when Jesus said "For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Many entering through the wide gate opposed to a few entering the narrow gate, is not a 50/50 scenario.



You still have the same problem in that, the "one taken" group is being compared to the one's taken in the flood, which is a wicked to wicked comparison, not wicked to righteous.
 

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i've heard a preacher say, He gives you what you believe. if you believe in a rapture before the tribulation, He'll take you. if you don't, He'll leave you in it.

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Luke 17 :34-36
The BIBLE dose not really use the MEN in this verse , IT has been added , IF you look at it close you will see the letters are a little different, This means it has been added . should say, 34 shall be two in one bed. the men was added. 35 two shall be grinding, the women was added. it, should 36 two shall in one field : the men was added, GOD bless as HE sees fit,
 

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I believe that Matt 24 and 25 covers both the Rapture and the Second coming. I do not feel comfortable just dissecting one verse all by it's lonesome. I'm not sure the Bible was intended to be studied that way.
 
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This is a correction of what I MISSED ABOVE. I DON"T HOW BUT I'M SORRY
I'M going to haft to look a little better
This was not right IT was to say, FOR the lord will pass through to smite the Egpyians , AND when HE seeth the BLOOD uponthe lintel. and on the two side posts the LORDD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your hoses to smite you . sorry I don't see it,
GOD bless as HE sees fit

LUKE 17:34-37 If you all want to see this BETTER ,LUKE 17:37 Brings it out a whole lot BETTER, And help us to see the truth about the VOLTURES,
Right after GOD takes their lives the vulture are gathered .FOR the GREAT supper that GOD had promise the birds. Because they are going to laying all over the Ground . for the birds GOD bless as HE sees fit. And this has help me even to see it better.