Not By Works

So is the premise of this “without works” doctrine based upon the premise that one is saved by faith without substance?

Christ Jesus is the substance of our salvation NOT our works!!

Do you believe Genesis 22 or the doctrines of men? I'm going with Scripture.

Okay I have to go.

One more time......

No one will ever know you have faith unless you manifest it.

How others receive that information is a secondary issue.

Without your "works" it will never be known.

Faith cannot be seen without works.

Again another simple concept.

I think we have discussed this before. Yes maam.
The word was planted in them. "receive with meekness the engrafted word" Obviously, they have yet to do so.
Obviously they were not living as new creations, explains why James had to write such a long letter. They needed their souls saved. That's why James is asking them to receive with meekness the engrafted word.

Man has no authority to justify my salvation. Do you play judge on others based upon their works? I hope not. You'd probably be wrong most of the time.

I can say this with certainty, I don't understand everything in the bible. As I said before I don't know why Genesis 22 was written that way but it is your assumption that because God said "now I know" means that he didn't know before that time.

The omniscience of God is not man-made, it's all over the bible. God is never up in heaven wringing his in worry over whether some human will do what he's supposed to do or not.

Okay, well then your doctrine will have many problems being coherent, because much like the church in Corinth the people sinned.
They needed instruction, rebuking and exhortation.

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I find it interesting that while you do not think works can justify before men, you think evidence of sin is enough to take away justification.

NOT good.

Okay, well then your doctrine will have many problems being coherent, because much like the church in Corinth the people sinned.
They needed instruction, rebuking and exhortation.

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I find it interesting that while you do not think works can justify before men, you think evidence of sin is enough to take away justification.

NOT good.

Man has no authority to justify my salvation. Do you play judge on others based upon their works? I hope not. You'd probably be wrong most of the time.

@OneOfHis carry on if you have time.

I have a date with the sidewalk...... don't ask its complicated

Says you, who just quoted James 1:21 to prove a lack of justification..... hilarious!!

Yes! The Church Age believe is justified the moment they believe the gospel. James is addressing the nation of Israel in the tribulation. That's my whole point.

Remember, the question James is responding to is: 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Paul says yes to the body of Christ.
James says not faith only, but works to the twelve tribes in the tribulation.

You're speaking of the opposite.
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Peter denied Jesus -> lack of a righteous work and it was seen before man as lack of faith.


In james there is teaching AGAINST a loveless (lack of righteous works) to SHOW the love of God in us as witnesses. (His body)

You're either being dishonest or making a strawman out of confusion.


No you can never be seen before a brother or sister as "justified as a true believer" by works. Lack of love (which manifests as works) before man will cause you to be less than blameless. They can doubt your faith. If you are blameless, before these men your faith is justified. They have nothing to point at to say "oh look, hypocrit... liar... Jesus wouldn't want that how can you say you love Him"...

True, but God wants us to choose Him, to be obedient unto His word. Our responses to His word dictates His response to us. We can never "surprise" God or catch Him off guard. He knows us better than we know ourselves.

Again, do you have the authority to play judge? Can you really determine someone's salvation based upon you seeing them do something good? Really?

Fruit inspectors are not biblical.

There is no such thing as the church age, the church has always been around. Christ was in the CHURCH in the wilderness.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Those in the wilderness drank from that spiritual Rock - Christ.
(1Co 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

There is no SECOND GOSPEL for the nation of Israel. All people have always been saved EXACTLY the same way - grace through faith.

ARRGG......

Show your faith by your works.

Speaking is showing our faith...how long would Christianity last if we did not speak to it, match that with works and it is powerful.

Even before I was a Christian in high school I saw this ... I did not understand it but I saw it and wondered!