The Judas Church

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Isaiah263

Active member
Jan 12, 2020
197
196
43
#1
"Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot"
-Luke 22:3

I have a huge concern over the churches in my "neck of the woods". Everything here seems to be a business. A mega-church with leaders running things like a business. I'm not sure if others are experiencing this.

It seems to be growing in a culture that is moving further away from God.

Thoughts?
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#2
What’s weird is the U.S is the leader in mega churches world wide yet has only two mega church attendants numbers in the top 10 world wide. Seoul has one with about 800,000 weekly attendants I think it has the largest attendants.
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,421
6,700
113
#3
I was not convinced of Jesus, Yeshua, until I was 24. It was then the Holy Spirit entered into me, teaching what "I" needed to know.
Previous to this wonderful event I had always been "charitable" towards the Maker, giving Him the benefit of a doubt.
From a large family living in a house trailer, I was sent with my youngest sister, older than I, to Bible school summers. We learned songs and Bible verfseses but the most important lesson for me was from the song, "Jesus Loves Me." This was when I wa four. I loved Bible school for the Kool-Aid and really large home made cookies. I won a plaque with a poem on it for learning Bible verses. The poem was "Overheard in an Orchard."

From that time until the infilling of the Holy Spirit, my religion, my denomination was simple, "Jesus Loves Me." I held on to that belief, and do now, and always will. Because of being sent to Bible school, when I was a bit older I began attending churches. I say churches because my family with me moved many times, and DI would go to the nearsst church with a cross on it where ever I lived. It was not until I was aabout ten or eleve I realized I had been going to different denominations. Silly me, I though all who had a cross believed Jesus in the same manner. As an adolesecent in the d1950's I began to notice how hatred was being preached from the pulpits, anti-black, antisemitesm and more. Lots of finger pointing and lots of haughty attitudes from the most holy people in each congreegation. I had to get out, and I did.
I kind of scratched my head a lot wondering how I could feel this way about denominational guidances until the Holy Spirit entered into me, and then I knew Jesus has been given a rotten deal since "denominations" began.

They are now more and more in dagreement with each other in running the world…........ergo, that last day church is at the doorway, one righteous world church, self-righteous that is. Keep faith that Jesus, Loves us, and we will keep faith in the God odf Abraham.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
#4
"Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot"
-Luke 22:3

I have a huge concern over the churches in my "neck of the woods". Everything here seems to be a business. A mega-church with leaders running things like a business. I'm not sure if others are experiencing this.

It seems to be growing in a culture that is moving further away from God.

Thoughts?
Judas....

a. Was a devil from the beginning
b. Called the SON OF PERDITION
c. Was never CLEAN
d. Was a thief holding the bag

He was never saved and then lost it, he was chosen for the express purpose of selling Jesus out. He was lost the whole time, died lost and is cooking as we speak!
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,421
6,700
113
#5
"Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot"
-Luke 22:3

I have a huge concern over the churches in my "neck of the woods". Everything here seems to be a business. A mega-church with leaders running things like a business. I'm not sure if others are experiencing this.

It seems to be growing in a culture that is moving further away from God.

Thoughts?
Just a thought. It seems the majority today would prefer a world congregation ruling the world instead of concentraqting on our King and His Reign.
 

Lanolin

Well-known member
Dec 15, 2018
23,460
7,188
113
#6
thoughts

I might trace it back to Rick Warrens book 'the purpose driven life' which seemed to me he moved to Orange County so he could convert the rich suburbanites there, and so he could have a comfortable salary living off the offerings of his parishioners. No poor small country church for him. He then wrote this terrible book on how to be a pastor CEO - target wealthy people with disposable income...they are business owners so thats their language and how they roll.

Judas was probably the same. He eyes Mary for giving Jesus an expensive perfume that cos a months wages cos he has his hands in the treasury. Its just plain old greed.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#7
"Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot"
-Luke 22:3

I have a huge concern over the churches in my "neck of the woods". Everything here seems to be a business. A mega-church with leaders running things like a business. I'm not sure if others are experiencing this.

It seems to be growing in a culture that is moving further away from God.

Thoughts?
I believe Jesus would empty most churches today preaching what he preached then.
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,421
6,700
113
#8
I believe Jesus would empty most churches today preaching what he preached then.
With that thought in mind it makes me to think most of the Pharisees of today would label anyone doing what Jesus teaches as Marxism, and a big NO, I am not political, but when Ihave spoken of being kind to all people, and having a comprehensive welfare system, I too have been lableelled leftis, liberal or communist. I do not mind but it is the biggest mistake people can make a bout a bleiever. Believers to not ha any ideology other than the Monarchy of our Savior...if that is marxist, leftist, or whatever then so I be, and all who practice what our Savior teaches...
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#9
With that thought in mind it makes me to think most of the Pharisees of today would label anyone doing what Jesus teaches as Marxism, and a big NO, I am not political, but when Ihave spoken of being kind to all people, and having a comprehensive welfare system, I too have been lableelled leftis, liberal or communist. I do not mind but it is the biggest mistake people can make a bout a bleiever. Believers to not ha any ideology other than the Monarchy of our Savior...if that is marxist, leftist, or whatever then so I be, and all who practice what our Savior teaches...
In Acts the church practiced "Jerusalem Communism". Abraham Kuiper explains that Jerusalem "communism" says "what's mine is yours." Modern communism says "what's yours is mine."

So giving in love is good. But giving reluctantly and legalistically yields nothing.

“And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.” (1 Corinthians 13:3)
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#10
"Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot"
-Luke 22:3

I have a huge concern over the churches in my "neck of the woods". Everything here seems to be a business. A mega-church with leaders running things like a business. I'm not sure if others are experiencing this.

It seems to be growing in a culture that is moving further away from God.

Thoughts?
Keeping the Commandments is a requirement for GODs Church, Rev 12:17 REV 14:12 REV 22:14, MATTHEW 5:17-20, And many more.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#11
Keeping the Commandments is a requirement for GODs Church, Rev 12:17 REV 14:12 REV 22:14, MATTHEW 5:17-20, And many more.
Only bad people need the Ten Commandments. The born again have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people stamped in their hearts.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#12
Only bad people need the Ten Commandments. The born again have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people stamped in their hearts.
If you look at that again , YOU will find that ALL of the OTHER Commandments was hanging on those TWO, Which means for us to keep those too, And those two love Commandments represent the TWO stones that the Commandments was wrote on, The first stone was, Four Commandments, LOVE to GOD, AND THE second stone had SIX which was LOVE to MAN, That's why he tells us that the others hung on them TWO, look again, Matthew 5:17-20 should show us that. with a little study. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#13
If you look at that again , YOU will find that ALL of the OTHER Commandments was hanging on those TWO, Which means for us to keep those too, And those two love Commandments represent the TWO stones that the Commandments was wrote on, The first stone was, Four Commandments, LOVE to GOD, AND THE second stone had SIX which was LOVE to MAN, That's why he tells us that the others hung on them TWO, look again, Matthew 5:17-20 should show us that. with a little study. GOD bless as HE sees fit
Paul says if we live the Two, it takes care of the Ten.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#14
Paul says if we live the Two, it takes care of the Ten.
Read 2 Peter 3:15-16 what Peter says that some people are doing with Paul's writing to their on destruction, By twisting the word we will be LOST, so we need to be careful about how we interpret Paul's words .GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#16
This only works if we are keeping all of THEM .
The ten are replaced by the New Covenant. No more Sabbath etc. The two automatically fulfill all the moral requirements of the ten and more.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#17
The ten are replaced by the New Covenant. No more Sabbath etc. The two automatically fulfill all the moral requirements of the ten and more.
JESUS wrote those Commandments with HIS OWN FINGER, IF you want to throw them in the trash, Will I hope that you repent of that before you stand before JESUS on JUDGMENT day for , JESUS says MATTHEW 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach man so, he shall be called at least in the Kingdom of heaven, but who so ever shell do in teach them the same shall be called great in the Kingdom Kingdom of heaven, And it don't mean that they will be saved, but the ones in heaven are calling them the least on earth, because they are saying it's OK to break god's commandments, So they will be in a worst place then the LOST, So that's going to be really bad for those that think they are saved and end up being LOST, And it going to happen to a lot of people that think their saved and braking GODs Commandments , Because of LAWLESSNESS. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,421
6,700
113
#18
Anyone who has read all of the law and all of the Godpel with understanding knows there are many laws making up Love, and breaking any one of them is breaking the Two Great laws.

Anyone who has read the Godpel in the light of the Law knows which ones no longer need be heede from Jesus, Himself.

If you think you love and you yet break any of the laws which mdake up the Tow Great, and this includes all Ten of our blessed Maker's Commandments, is under the law for that person has given himself authority ove our Messiah.

Do not attmpt to put words and doctrine in the mouth of our blessed Savior, for that is apostasy.
 
Jan 17, 2020
4,792
736
113
#19
JESUS wrote those Commandments with HIS OWN FINGER, IF you want to throw them in the trash, Will I hope that you repent of that before you stand before JESUS on JUDGMENT day for , JESUS says MATTHEW 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach man so, he shall be called at least in the Kingdom of heaven, but who so ever shell do in teach them the same shall be called great in the Kingdom Kingdom of heaven, And it don't mean that they will be saved, but the ones in heaven are calling them the least on earth, because they are saying it's OK to break god's commandments, So they will be in a worst place then the LOST, So that's going to be really bad for those that think they are saved and end up being LOST, And it going to happen to a lot of people that think their saved and braking GODs Commandments , Because of LAWLESSNESS. GOD bless as HE sees fit
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: For they shall all know me, From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: For I will forgive their iniquity, And I will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:31–34 (KJV 1900)

The Ten Commandments are the Old Covenant.
 
Jan 4, 2020
1,506
266
83
66
washburn Tn
#20
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: For they shall all know me, From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: For I will forgive their iniquity, And I will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:31–34 (KJV 1900)

The Ten Commandments are the Old Covenant.
IN The old covenant, the Commandments were wrote in stone ,To day HE writes Them in our HEARTs, The same Commandments,
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing in uncircumcision is nothing BUT the keeping of the commandments of God.
GOD HAS told you this in HIS WORD In many places, if you would have it. GOD bless as HE sees fit for you.