Why is this not being taught in Church?

Most pastors don’t understand the difference between Israel and the Church. Why? Because they preach out of the gospels calling it Church doctrine. They have no idea the difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven.

I prefer the words of Christ in red also. Actually, I have no idea what he meant about the blue ones but it sounded funny.

I agree
Ephesians 2:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Acts 3:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Romans 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

In the 2nd coming, The Lord will be established as King of His Kingdom. The 12 apostles will judge the 12 tribes as Jesus told them Matthew 19:28

As for Christians, we are part of Body of Christ and He is the Head of the Body. Christian are not included with those of the circumcision.

Our destiny is Heaven to be co inheritors with Christ our Lord.

The gospel that Paul preached is for Jews, Gentiles and kings. His gospel places all in one body.

The gospel of the kingdom was for Jews only because it concerned the restoration of their kingdom on earth.

Please post your evidence.

Btw, I love red x’s. Usually means I’m on the right track.😉

Since classical dispensationalists believed that the body of Christ began in acts 2, they will reject the view that Peter was not preaching the same gospel as Paul, to the Jews

Sorry J, we have had this,discussion so many times I have lost track.

not doing it any more

your wrong, I have proved it numerous times, whether you agree or not is not my concern.

people like you and light saber who demand people prove you wrong when they have so many times, yet keep trying to bait an argument will not longer be fed

You’ve never posted Scripture where the disciples were preaching the d,b,r for sins. You know why? It’s not there. Anything else, any other words would not be the same message. Simple.

I'm still confused about it... what he is saying...not the Bible



whatta dbr for sins?

Imagine something. Imagine you could commit to an entire week responding to posts, particularly those who do not agree with your errant understanding of scripture, as they see it anyway, without resorting to cutting sarcasm, ad hominem attacks, and idioms, while responding to those type posts. Post as an adult. For one week.

No, I think I'll decline. Reason being, having done so already, I get this childish push back, as you are want to do regularly here, like the knickers idiom. Why waste my time further when childish responses are to be expected after you've demonstrated you really don't get what I'm saying. It would be my fault then to do so having not gotten through already. And now I get your emotional push back idiom as your first response. That's weak. It's a sign you really don't understand as much as you like to put on here. If you did you wouldn't comport yourself as a child would, as someone who thinks taking a jab at someone verbally is satisfying to you so as to overshadow that aforementioned fact.
I didn't accuse you, I was quite pointed in the observation. Someone who knows Emmanuel was God with us doesn't have an aversion to anything pertaining to the Catholic process to the degree that they're incapable of understanding that God can do anything.

To argue, as many here do and perhaps because they are also intolerant of anything pertaining to Catholic faith and practice, that the Holy Spirit would indwell the womb of a full on sinner so as to deliver the infant born to Save the world from Sin, and likely so because the Catholic rite refers to Mary as full of grace, which she was and by God's favoring of her for the purpose of giving birth to the son of God, is narrow minded and short sighted. And here's why. The scriptures tell us the Holy Spirit does not indwell sinners.

Therefore, it is impossible to argue with any Biblical evidence supporting, that the Holy Spirit would indwell Mary's womb for nine months so as to be delivered of a sinful woman for the purpose of saving the world from sin. This is why every argument that says Mary was a sinner when Emmanuel was begat upon her by Holy Spirit God is wrong. And it is scripture that proves it so.

And for those that disagree, that's fine. Just post the scripture wherein it says the Holy Spirit indwells the Sinner.

That's why your post was blasphemy. I intend this to answer anyone who took issue with my remarks to you concerning that observation of your theology. Saves space.

I can't find anything about 'the blue ones'

or if the moon is actually cheese

Jesus Himself used both idioms and cutting sarcasm. That just leaves ad hominem attacks, and I challenge you to quote even one I've made in the last week.

Actually, you haven't. You stated your position, and you restated it, without using actual Scripture to support it.

Your exact words were, "You blaspheme God". That is an accusation.

That is an oblique ad hominem attack. Take your own challenge.

Really? Which verse is that? And where does Scripture say that the Holy Spirit "indwelt" Mary at any time prior to Jesus' birth?

As Scripture does not state that the Holy Spirit indwelled Mary's womb for nine months, your point is moot.

You have an odd understanding of proof, and you haven't provided any Scripture to defend your position.

Fallacy: burden of proof reversal.

You haven't come anywhere near demonstrating that my post was blasphemy.

Counting the one you made to me?
And that excuse like DCon. uses doesn't wash. Jesus used idioms and cutting sarcasm.You're not Jesus. And Jesus didn't use cutting sarcasm nor ad hominems. And the idioms Jesus used when confronting the Pharisee and other elders of the temple were references they knew pertained to His criticism of their rebuke of Him as the son of God. Serpents, etc... They knew precisely what He meant when He was telling them their rebuke was not of God.




Correction. Scripture I've posted to support my position in this thread and that you ignore is your responsibility. As to the rest of your remarks, you are doing precisely what I said you would do.


Yes, I know. I've gone over that. You did. If you don't like being called out on that, don't do it. By the mere definition of Blasphemy, that's what you did when you stated what amounted to, and I won't go back looking for it, you know what you said, God can't do that! God wouldn't do that!
As pertained to my observing that Mary was favored by God and the Greek meaning of favored includes graced. Which she was. And had to be. Because Holy Spirit God does not indwell sinners. Therefore, claiming Mary was a sinner when Holy Spirit God begat Himself as the forthcoming newborn and Messiah Emanuel (God with us), is rebuking God's word wherein He tells us His Holy Spirit does not enter Sinners.
Mary being graced or filled with the grace of God, is God forgiving her her sins, so that His Holy Spirit could indwell her womb.
But you deny all of that is what happened, and that only the blood of Jesus washes away sins. When God is Jesus your argument shows you don't know that, and your insistence that God did not wash Mary clean of her sins so as to indwell her with His Holy Spirit, shows you think God went back on His word; that the Holy Spirit does not indwell sinners.
Which would mean, per you, that for this one occasion God went back on His word so as to begat Himself on Sinner Mary.

That was my post and that you addressed in your idomatic reply. And that's all I need to say, again. Since you're clearly thinking to argue against it , again.

When you think Mary was a sinner when God begat Himself in her womb you're wrong. And God's word says your wrong. And if you wish to throw more idioms at me, prove what I said about a week going without doing that. And then, post the scripture that says precisely, God indwells Sinners. Because that's what your counter argument insists as true.
And you're wrong. The rest of your post doesn't remove that fact.

You have not provided Scripture to back up your assertions, because Scripture that would back up your assertions does not exist. Your position is groundless, so all you have left to do point and sputter, as you have done here. When you think you have a sound argument, you're welcome to present it.

Heck, forget a week, you just proved you couldn't go a few hours.

And you know the scriptures I'm referring to. As I said before, you choose to ignore them and in your mind that means they don't exist. And that's true in a sense. It's true when you choose not to acknowledge them because they counter your errant theology on the point of Mary. Therefore, they don't exist.
And everyone sees this. Even God.


You know those scriptures that says Mary was favored by God, highly favored in some versions. And you know those scriptures that tell us the Holy Spirit does not indwell sinners.

• The Book of John chapter14: 16. "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you."

Your argument is tantamount to saying Holy Spirit God would indwell a woman who was dead in her sins.
Romans 6:23

And you know how to look up on your own, since this was done even in the thread that asks the question, was Mary sinless, to find the Greek meaning of, "Favored". Which includes graced, grace.

The Mary Sinless thread is found at these two links, these are my posts there.

https://christianchat.com/threads/mary-mother-of-jesus-sinless.189986/post-4150378


https://christianchat.com/threads/mary-mother-of-jesus-sinless.189986/post-4151367


But you know everything I added there about the Greek meaning of Favored, etc...
Sin separates us from God. The Book of Isaiah chapter 59. How would we then think that Gods Holy Spirit would indwell a sinner for nine months? When God . It is a really easy point to concede with regard to Mary being forgiven her sin, filled with God's grace, prior to begetting Emmanuel in her womb

(Jesus said) The Book of Mark chapter 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Would Holy Spirit God indwell such a person for almost a full year? Nine months?

Do you believe it was possible for Jesus to sin?

Rightly dividing the Word of Truth between Jews and the Body of Christ is something that churches have little incentives to do so.

One key reason, I feel is that quite a number of them were founded with the Great Commission in Matthew as their objective.

So if they believe in teaching their congregation to go to "all nations", imagine how shocking it will be to finally realize that that so called commission was only for Jews to preach to Jews a gospel that has now been put aside, until after the rapture.

I see that you believe in the impeccability of Jesus Christ when he was in the flesh in the 4 Gospels. I happen to believe in that too, but its not something worth getting into arguments with other Christians. These kind of doctrine, we can just agree to disagree.

It’s obvious you are not learned in certain areas, especially when it comes to the humanity of Christ, and your catholized belief af a sinless Mary is out there.

Mary carried the body

Jesus himself did not enter that body until she gave birth, he did not leave heaven and enter the child while it was still in the womb

mary was just as saved as king David and abraham and all the OT saints, yet her sin were not yet paid for. That would not occur for another 33 years.