The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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Ahwatukee

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His kingdom is now. But only the born again can see it.
His kingdom is not now. The wrath of God must first be poured out on a Christ rejecting world and then the Lord will and will establish His kingdom.
 

Jimbone

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To the orignial poster:

The book of Revelation is not a doctrine of the Pharisees, but was given by God the Father:

"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Since the millennial kingdom is presented here in the book of Revelation, it is then apart of the book of this prophecy. Regarding this book of prophesied the following is stated:

"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."

Furthermore, the following is stated regarding those who would add to or take away from the words of this prophecy:

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

This destroys any claim made in your posting regarding the millennial kingdom being an invention of the Pharisee, because it belongs to the information contained within the book of Revelation and is the truth, which is the word of God.

Further more, by attempting to teach that the millennial kingdom is not valid, when it is stated right in the book of Revelation, you are in fact attempting to take away from the word of the prophecy of this book.

The phrase "a thousand years" is used six times in Revelation 20 and therefore, you ought to believe that it means a literal thousand years, which will Begin once the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.

Either the book of Revelation is the word of God or it isn't. If it isn't, then how could we trust the rest of His word?
None of what you ever post makes any sense at all without a 3rd temple, agreed? This is an imaginary presupposed temple that would make God go backwards in everything to reinstate a fulfilled covenant. If these things didn't take place when the temple that God Himself ordered built and dwelt in, for a purpose, the purpose of pointing to the salvation to come. A temple that served it's purpose in that age, and just like Jesus said, Jesus our God and savior with His own lips told the people that this generation would not pass away before that age ended. Guess what? It did just as He said it would bringing His kingdom to earth. Not a kingdom we could point to and say "there's God's kingdom", but the kingdom we are born again into spiritually. A kingdom that just like leaven through the loaf, and like the mustard seed growing, slowly everything is being put under Him, and it is right now today, all over the world Christ is putting all things under Him.

Your view, the "pre tirb rapture" that you endlessly talk about here has a very FATAL flaw brother. The third temple, God never ordered us to build a third temple. Never, and without God telling us to build it, it wouldn't be His temple, therefore could not be desolated. Now if you're under the belief that He will order His temple built, that God still speaks to us in that way, then scripture is still open, and that cracks the whole foundation. So without changing subjects, with going anywhere else, right here please answer me this question, given everything I've said above, If these things did not take place while Gods temple was on earth, how can Jesus be true, and if He is supposed to order another temple to be built #1 why did He never tell us about it at all, and #2 if He is still speaking to us in this way then do you believe scripture is still open and anything can change at anytime? Thanks.:D(y)
 
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His kingdom is not now. The wrath of God must first be poured out on a Christ rejecting world and then the Lord will and will establish His kingdom.
Jesus rules the nations with a rod of Iron presently.
 

Ahwatukee

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All of you are playing @Dave-L 's game. There is no solid foundation in his doctrine, and he is denying the plain scriptures. Nor is he teachable. And other than only 1 or 2 people here @notuptome and @preacher4truth who seem to agree with him, his views are totally contrarian to what is common Christian knowledge.

My suggestion is to stop feeding him.
Dave-L is now in my ignore box
 

Aerials1978

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Ok, are you one of those looking to be an agitator or do you believe that only you(and maybe selected others) have this knowledge and the rest of us are just gullible?
 
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All of you are playing @Dave-L 's game. There is no solid foundation in his doctrine, and he is denying the plain scriptures. Nor is he teachable. And other than only 1 or 2 people here @notuptome and @preacher4truth who seem to agree with him, his views are totally contrarian to what is common Christian knowledge.

My suggestion is to stop feeding him.
You are falsely accusing me. It's between you and the Lord. But I would rather not argue and let people take it or leave it when I post.
 

Jimbone

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His kingdom is not now. The wrath of God must first be poured out on a Christ rejecting world and then the Lord will and will establish His kingdom.
The kingdom is now and Jesus is King right now. Is Jesus not seated at the right hand now? Do you deny this?
 

TooFastTurtle

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Jesus is king over earth now. All nations are under the blessing of Abraham now. The entire earth is the Land of Israel where Jesus presently rules from heavenly Jerusalem above.
I will throw back your question to me: SCRIPTURE PLEASE? Prove it from Scripture.

The last claim in particular seems odd that the entire earth is the land of Israel lol. You cant make this stuff up.

If this is rulership then Jesus is not very competent to run the planet now is he? We have corruption disease famine mismanagement of all sorts of resources and you put it all on Jesus. But oh wait, no you don't because it is a "spiritual rule" isn't it? In other words, no rule at all whatsoever.

But I digress: PROVE what you stated above via Scripture and I will believe it. That should prove to be quite a task, nothing in the Bible about entire earth being the land of Israel...
 
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I will throw back your question to me: SCRIPTURE PLEASE? Prove it from Scripture.

The last claim in particular seems odd that the entire earth is the land of Israel lol. You cant make this stuff up.

If this is rulership then Jesus is not very competent to run the planet now is he? We have corruption disease famine mismanagement of all sorts of resources and you put it all on Jesus. But oh wait, no you don't because it is a "spiritual rule" isn't it? In other words, no rule at all whatsoever.

But I digress: PROVE what you stated above via Scripture and I will believe it. That should prove to be quite a task, nothing in the Bible about entire earth being the land of Israel...
Scripture teaches that Jesus is Israel fully revealed in the New Covenant. Israel is also we who believe in him. We are global and Jesus rules the nations from David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. Making the whole world the land of Israel. I can break this down for you one point at a time if you like.
 

TooFastTurtle

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Jesus IS Israel. And those who believe in him. Secular Israel is not biblical Israel.
Jesus is not blind in part, neither are those who believe in him:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The meaning of the word Israel depends on the context.
- Israel (the man, Jacob in his time)
- Israel (the kingdom, in their time)
- Israel (Christ, his firstborn in his time)
- Israel (the modern state of, presently)
- Israel (the descendants of Jacob)
 
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Jesus is not blind in part, neither are those who believe in him:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The meaning of the word Israel depends on the context.
- Israel (the man, Jacob in his time)
- Israel (the kingdom, in their time)
- Israel (Christ, his firstborn in his time)
- Israel (the modern state of, presently)
- Israel (the descendants of Jacob)
That is broken off Israel. The believers remained Israel.
 

TooFastTurtle

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You cannot understand Zechariah or Revelation apart from understanding Jesus' description of the Kingdom. You must begin with that.
Amilllennialists love to tell us what Zechariah 14 does not mean, but they can never tell you what it DOES mean. What does it mean? Why are physical locations mentioned so precisely and accurately described if it is all just about people becoming saved in the Church or something?
 
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Amilllennialists love to tell us what Zechariah 14 does not mean, but they can never tell you what it DOES mean. What does it mean? Why are physical locations mentioned so precisely and accurately described if it is all just about people becoming saved in the Church or something?
The born again can see the kingdom. And we can see Zechariah's part in it.
 

Jackson123

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Unless a person is born again they cannot see the kingdom. Most cannot see it giving rise to physical concepts.
1. There are 2 kingdom

A, 1000 years kingdom

b. Eternal kingdom.

Wich one you talking about a or b

2. What do you mean by born again, is the born again man physically die?

When Paul ministry oN earth, did he born again? Did he die physically and No body see him, only hear his voice?
 
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1. There are 2 kingdom

A, 1000 years kingdom

b. Eternal kingdom.

Wich one you talking about a or b

2. What do you mean by born again, is the born again man physically die?

When Paul ministry oN earth, did he born again? Did he die physically and No body see him, only hear his voice?
No, there is not 1000 year kingdom. The kingdom is eternal. If you can see the spiritual kingdom, you won't look for a physical kingdom of the future.
 
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just wondering if you are a (self-appointed troll or a paid troll???)
either way, there is no way that you can answer, and so this brings us
to 'YOU'...
 
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just wondering if you are a (self-appointed troll or a paid troll???)
either way, there is no way that you can answer, and so this brings us
to 'YOU'...
Who are you speaking to?
 
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obviously you aren't getting 'paid' enough, or you would know the answer!
:):)