A lot of female pastors are prayerful just like male pastors, so I do not believe they are being deceived.
Praying doesn't mean one can't be deceived. Many cults encourage it.
Would Satan want women to do God's work?
God's work doesn't involve disobedience. Remember Eve? Satan asked, did God really say... Did God really say that women shouldn't rule over men? It sounds like a question from Satan.
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. Mark 3:26 Satan approached Eve and Eve was deceived, true.
Agreed.
In the case of a women being a pastor, what if God approached her? Maybe the husbands prayed and God responded to them also? That is a different story.
It would be, but God would have to demonstrate to His children that for some reason, He was expecting His children to accept something that He had previously told them to reject.
I think it is God calling us to serve him. It is not an issue of hierarchy although I'm sure there are some female pastors who want to be pastor for the wrong reasons.
We don't serve God by disobeying Him. Look at Abraham when he tried to fulfill God's promise by taking Hagar to wife.
When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. (Genesis 21:4 ). During Biblical times, mohels were strictly men.
Do we really know? There are many examples in the bible of widows with children. Women were actually treated quite equally in many respects, so I doubt they were prohibited from circumcision where necessary.
The mohels also had to perform oral suction, probably another reason why women did not perform this role.
This practice borders on paedophilia to my mind, and is certainly not in the bible. I seriously doubt it was done by true believers.
Even today, there are very few female mohels.
They're actually quite popular, as are females in most positions of authority. Remember how I said the sinful nature in both men and women prefers the female to dominate the male?
The command and responsibility was on the father.
Can you provide a scripture for this? The commandment was for all God's people (Abraham and his offspring), not just the fathers. The father took ultimate responsibilty as head of the family, but sometimes, the head of the family may have been a woman in the absence of a father.
This is an example where the male shirked on his responsibility, and a women had to fulfill this role, and not a mere case that either one could equally fulfill this role. Unbeknownst to us, this could the case in the modern world where women are being raised up to be leaders in church, as church membership in the western world has been declining for a long time.
I agree its an example where a man is saved by his wife. She did what she was designed to do as his lifesaver and powerful ally. But she was acting in obedience to God, not disobedience. In the case of female leadership over men, God clearly tells us this should not be the case. An analogy would be Zipporah trying to save Moses or take her son away, without dealing with the uncircumcision issue.
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:8
I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord. 1 Corinthians 7:32-35
I agree.
Another thing to consider is that when God created Eve, Adam literally had no helpmate as there were no other humans. He lived with a bunch of animals. Now the role of "helper" can be fulfilled by other members of the Church.
I disagree here. If the role of "helper" could be fulfilled by other members of the Church, God would have given Adam a dog (or possibly a horse), not a wife! Paul later backs this up by his statement where he outlines that woman was made for man. If other members of the Church could be such "helpers", Paul would have said this.
Elder seems to be a co-pastor. If that's the case, there are no female equivalents except perhaps the Elect Lady.
A pastor is essentially a teaching elder. There are no female equivalents in scripture. The Elect Lady is a special lady, not an elder.
A lot of people are uncomfortable with female pastors at first, and think this is weird.
Perhaps the weirdness is really the conscience telling one that it is not appropriate?
This was my reaction when I first heard a female pastor, I thought a male pastor was going to arrive next. I go to a church with a female pastor now and membership has increased from a very low point to new highs in the past six years I've been there. Previously membership decreased because there was some bickering between the two male pastors on who shall senior pastor. In the end both left and took away a lot of members.
It's sad that the other pastors left. But one failing doesn't permit another.
My pastor has baptized a lot of people, a sign of success.
So do the megachurches, but they mostly preach a false gospel. Numbers are not necessarily a good measure of success.
Here, they appear as equals. In other verses, Priscilla is listed first. Why?
Not sure. Do you think it is important?
Men must also evaluate on whether they themselves are craving hierarchy for sake of power in this women in ministry issue.
I guess. But most men who disagree with female pastors are not pastors, so clearly aren't in competition for the hierarchy. And many women oppose female pastors, despite the fact this rules themselves out for the job. It's about obedience to God, not one's own personal gain.
