Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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WingsOfLight

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Excruciating pain. Can you measure the agony of the soul? Physical pain is nothing.
Absolutely correct! It's hard for people to understand what it's like unless they have been through it themselves. They don't get why it's such a difficult thing to endure, but it really is. I take it you have some experience with it too.
And you're right...... physical pain is nothing compared to this.
 

Tinkerbell725

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#62
Absolutely correct! It's hard for people to understand what it's like unless they have been through it themselves. They don't get why it's such a difficult thing to endure, but it really is. I take it you have some experience with it too.
And you're right...... physical pain is nothing compared to this.


Yes and it takes a lot of time to recover if you have been through it unlike the physical wherein you recover faster.
 
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I was wondering If a narcissist would be loved by many If they were to become POTUS and why If they were to be In love with this type personality, why would they love this type personality?
 
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Good to know you are already there, but some of us are still a work in progress.
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Tinker,
hub and I have had many years of experience in our narcissistic-mirror being shattered at ALL LEVELS!!!-
at some point of the 'shattering', the 'eyes are opened to where you are and where you are going',
and 'we all' always have a 'long-way-to-go' = 'the ladder'...
(over-coming is perpetual')...
 

Solemateleft

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I was wondering If a narcissist would be loved by many If they were to become POTUS and why If they were to be In love with this type personality, why would they love this type personality?
Unfortunately, there are a lot more Narcissistic persons that rise to the top of numerous establishments. The book summary below provides a good description where I view their use of the term 'psychopaths' as synonymous with persons who are clinical 'NPD.'
Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work
... Characteristics of manipulators are described as shifting to meet stereotypical gender expectations: a female psychopath might make full use of the passive, warm, nurturing, and dependent gender role stereotype in order to get what she wants out of others and a male psychopath might use a macho image, intimidation, and aggression to achieve satisfaction of his desires. The authors posit that around 1% of senior positions in business are psychopaths.

The authors describe a "five phase model" of how a typical workplace psychopath climbs to and maintains power: entry, assessment, manipulation, confrontation, and ascension. In the entry stage, the psychopath will use highly developed social skills and charm to obtain employment into an organisation. At this stage it will be difficult to spot anything which is indicative of psychopathic behaviour, and as a new employee you might perceive the psychopath to be helpful and even benevolent. Once on to the assessment stage, the psychopath will weigh you up according to your usefulness, and you could be recognised as either a pawn (who has some informal influence and will be easily manipulated) or a patron (who has formal power and will be used by the psychopath to protect against attacks).

Manipulation involves the psychopath creating a scenario of “psychopathic fiction” where positive information about themselves and negative disinformation about others will be created, where your role as a part of a network of pawns or patrons will be utilised and you will be groomed into accepting the psychopath's agenda. Once on to the confrontation stage, the psychopath will use techniques of character assassination to maintain their agenda, and you will be either discarded as a pawn or used as a patron. Finally, in the ascension stage, the role of the subject as a patron in the psychopath’s quest for power will be discarded, and the psychopath will take for himself/herself a position of power and prestige from anyone who once supported them.
 
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Unfortunately, there are a lot more Narcissistic persons that rise to the top of numerous establishments. The book summary below provides a good description where I view their use of the term 'psychopaths' as synonymous with persons who are clinical 'NPD.'
Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work
... Characteristics of manipulators are described as shifting to meet stereotypical gender expectations: a female psychopath might make full use of the passive, warm, nurturing, and dependent gender role stereotype in order to get what she wants out of others and a male psychopath might use a macho image, intimidation, and aggression to achieve satisfaction of his desires. The authors posit that around 1% of senior positions in business are psychopaths.

The authors describe a "five phase model" of how a typical workplace psychopath climbs to and maintains power: entry, assessment, manipulation, confrontation, and ascension. In the entry stage, the psychopath will use highly developed social skills and charm to obtain employment into an organisation. At this stage it will be difficult to spot anything which is indicative of psychopathic behaviour, and as a new employee you might perceive the psychopath to be helpful and even benevolent. Once on to the assessment stage, the psychopath will weigh you up according to your usefulness, and you could be recognised as either a pawn (who has some informal influence and will be easily manipulated) or a patron (who has formal power and will be used by the psychopath to protect against attacks).

Manipulation involves the psychopath creating a scenario of “psychopathic fiction” where positive information about themselves and negative disinformation about others will be created, where your role as a part of a network of pawns or patrons will be utilised and you will be groomed into accepting the psychopath's agenda. Once on to the confrontation stage, the psychopath will use techniques of character assassination to maintain their agenda, and you will be either discarded as a pawn or used as a patron. Finally, in the ascension stage, the role of the subject as a patron in the psychopath’s quest for power will be discarded, and the psychopath will take for himself/herself a position of power and prestige from anyone who once supported them.
I think this fits Trump and Rudy the patron.
 
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Is anyone familiar with Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
Just wanting some insight.
This is not something I have. I'm just seeking feedback.
Back in the 80's I read a book by Joyce Landorf called "Irregular People". It fit the person in my life perfectly, who I have since come to realize is very narcissistic. It is still available but perhaps as a used book. She gives a good insight into people with this personality.
 

WingsOfLight

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Back in the 80's I read a book by Joyce Landorf called "Irregular People". It fit the person in my life perfectly, who I have since come to realize is very narcissistic. It is still available but perhaps as a used book. She gives a good insight into people with this personality.
I'm going to look into this book. Sounds interesting. Thanks for the info!
 

Lanolin

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I wonder what myer briggs personality the naricissist would come under if they took the test, or whether its not related to any of those categories.
 

Silverwings

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How are you doing since you and a narcissist are no longer together?
AJ Woods, Narcissistic abuse survivor, researcher and author
I read this on Quora, and thought it ought to be shared on here, and i am sure that there are victims on here, just as they are on other websites. I hope this helps someone. This was written by AJ Woods.
On December 15th, 2018 I was discarded by my narcissist ex-wife in the cruelest way possible. Not only did she end our 7 ½ year relationship/marriage, but she continued to punish me for several months afterwards—taking all of my money, ruining my credit, left me homeless, disposing of all of my personal belongings, and just when I started to climb out of that hole— she would kick me back down by contacting me again to flirt with me and drop hints of a possible reconciliation. It was madness.
This past year has been an emotional rollercoaster that I thought would never end. I think that I’ve experienced the worst of human emotions possible during the last 12 months. I’ll be completely honest and say that there were many times during the last year that I didn’t believe that I would be around to see the new decade. However, something that I rediscovered in myself was that I’m a fighter and a survivor. I had forgotten that about myself.
Even though my discard was on Dec 15th, the beginning of the end started in earnest in May 2018. That’s when she decided to use her fists on me to settle an argument that she started. I called the police, and she subsequently was arrested. Even though I should have left her at that point, I was too trauma bonded to consider that as an option. I never understood how abused partners can stay with their abusers, but after being the victim, it’s not as easy as just walking out the door—there are too many emotional ties, and the abuser uses other more powerful weapons besides physicality to get you to stay.
After her arrest, she started an all-out assault on me to punish me for daring to stand up to her. When it looked like I was going to leave—which I tried a few times, she would start with her sweet words and actions to seduce me into staying. Only enough to keep me off balance though, because as soon as my resolve started to melt, the meanness and devaluations came back with a vengeance.
In December of 2018, I finally caught her with a guy who I thought was a friend of mine. I suspected it for a while but kept making excuses for her. After catching her red-handed, she tried several different explanations and excuses—all of them blaming me for her actions. I finally stood my ground to her and told her there was no excuse, and she admitted in anger that she wasn’t going to stop. So, I left. I left my home, my marriage and the state. She said if I stayed that she would keep doing what she was doing. I later found out that he was only the last guy she cheated on me with, not the first.
I left a broken man. She took everything from me— my heart, but also drained our bank accounts, maxed out our credit cards, took her name off of them leaving me with all of the debt. I had nowhere to go and no one to turn to. I had no money, assets or credit. Worst of all, I still wanted her— I was willing to forgive her regardless of the cost. I was in the worst pain imaginable. She was still texting me and flirting with me, then dumping me all over again. This happened several times in the next 2 months. I seriously considered suicide and came very close to it.
At the end of February of this year, I went to a sporting goods store to buy a gun-- at the time I thought it was the only solution available to me. As I walked in the store, I passed all of the camping equipment. I’m a retired Marine, and that equipment called to me. I remembered some videos that I saw on YouTube about hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, and the idea came over me like a warm blanket. Instead of buying a gun, I bought a tent, hiking boots, a sleeping bag and other camping supplies that I needed. I decided to hike the PCT— what else did I have to lose?
I started the drive to San Diego, CA the next morning from Dallas, Texas. I arrived three days later, parked my car at the airport, took an Uber to the US/Mexican Border and started walking north. I walked for the next 55 days... 536 miles, and along the way left all of my anger, hurt, and memories of what I thought was a good marriage in the mountains of Southern California. I came off of the trail somewhere near Mojave, CA to get back to Texas to go to my daughter’s college graduation. The man who left the trail wasn’t the man who started on the trail.
In the several weeks following my hike, I cut her off in every way humanly possible. I deleted all of our pictures, blocked her friends and family on social media and threw away all souvenirs and “reminders” of our marriage. She’s tried to contact me multiple times since then, but I set an email rule for anything from her or her family to go to my junk folder. I spent most of the next several months healing, working a part-time job, and writing about my experiences.
Fast forward to this last week— Christmas 2019. My adult children spent the holiday with me, and our relationship has gotten extremely close. My 23-year-old daughter and I had a falling out in late 2018... much of it was due to the stress I was going through with my ex, and her efforts to keep me from my children. We’ve managed to reconnect and get close in a way that I never thought possible. I’ve also been able to be there for my 19-year-old son—help him register for college, take him to work, and bond with him in a way that I haven’t been able to for many years. I was offered and accepted a job running a US congressional campaign. I’m the campaign manager for a retired Marine buddy who’s running for congress and saw my PCT posts. He reached out to me because he wanted someone with the perseverance that I showed.
My finances are better— a year of living like a monk will do that. I’ve involved myself in local sports, making new friends and enjoying my new activities. I’ve also found that I’m ready to enter the dating world again—I never thought I would want to get romantically involved ever again. However, rebuilding my happiness and self-confidence has allowed me to a place where I desire love again—this time being careful of my boundaries and not accepting devaluing behavior from any future romantic partner.
After a year, I feel good and hopeful for the future, and I never thought that I would be able to say that a year ago. I really didn’t.
Bottom Line: It can get better if you put the work in to find out who you are, what was wrong with you to let a toxic person in your life to begin with, and why you felt the need to stay. It’s been a journey to hell and back, but I’ve learned who I am. Most importantly, even though I found some flaws in myself, I discovered that I really do like who I see in the mirror every day and I’m a good person worthy of much better than I used to accept.
Don’t get me wrong… I still think about her, but now I remember her meanness and cruelty. I don’t miss her, but I miss the illusion that she created and what I thought we had. She does invade my thoughts occasionally, but it stirs disgust in the pit of my stomach now. Not the longing that I had for her a year ago. I miss the fantasy that she created, but now I know it was just that… a fantasy, and now it’s time to make that a reality with someone who is emotionally healthy, and not kill a part of myself to only make someone else happy for just a minute.
I will never again over give of myself to someone to prove my worth and value. If they don’t see it, there’s nothing I ever could do to change their mind.
Life can be good; however, we must choose whether we want to be happy or not
 

Solemateleft

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#72
How are you doing since you and a narcissist are no longer together?
AJ Woods, Narcissistic abuse survivor, researcher and author
I read this on Quora, and thought it ought to be shared on here, and i am sure that there are victims on here, just as they are on other websites. I hope this helps someone. This was written by AJ Woods.
On December 15th, 2018 I was discarded by my narcissist ex-wife in the cruelest way possible. Not only did she end our 7 ½ year relationship/marriage, but she continued to punish me for several months afterwards—taking all of my money, ruining my credit, left me homeless, disposing of all of my personal belongings, and just when I started to climb out of that hole— she would kick me back down by contacting me again to flirt with me and drop hints of a possible reconciliation. It was madness.
This past year has been an emotional rollercoaster that I thought would never end. I think that I’ve experienced the worst of human emotions possible during the last 12 months. I’ll be completely honest and say that there were many times during the last year that I didn’t believe that I would be around to see the new decade. However, something that I rediscovered in myself was that I’m a fighter and a survivor. I had forgotten that about myself.
Even though my discard was on Dec 15th, the beginning of the end started in earnest in May 2018. That’s when she decided to use her fists on me to settle an argument that she started. I called the police, and she subsequently was arrested. Even though I should have left her at that point, I was too trauma bonded to consider that as an option. I never understood how abused partners can stay with their abusers, but after being the victim, it’s not as easy as just walking out the door—there are too many emotional ties, and the abuser uses other more powerful weapons besides physicality to get you to stay.
After her arrest, she started an all-out assault on me to punish me for daring to stand up to her. When it looked like I was going to leave—which I tried a few times, she would start with her sweet words and actions to seduce me into staying. Only enough to keep me off balance though, because as soon as my resolve started to melt, the meanness and devaluations came back with a vengeance.
In December of 2018, I finally caught her with a guy who I thought was a friend of mine. I suspected it for a while but kept making excuses for her. After catching her red-handed, she tried several different explanations and excuses—all of them blaming me for her actions. I finally stood my ground to her and told her there was no excuse, and she admitted in anger that she wasn’t going to stop. So, I left. I left my home, my marriage and the state. She said if I stayed that she would keep doing what she was doing. I later found out that he was only the last guy she cheated on me with, not the first.
I left a broken man. She took everything from me— my heart, but also drained our bank accounts, maxed out our credit cards, took her name off of them leaving me with all of the debt. I had nowhere to go and no one to turn to. I had no money, assets or credit. Worst of all, I still wanted her— I was willing to forgive her regardless of the cost. I was in the worst pain imaginable. She was still texting me and flirting with me, then dumping me all over again. This happened several times in the next 2 months. I seriously considered suicide and came very close to it.
At the end of February of this year, I went to a sporting goods store to buy a gun-- at the time I thought it was the only solution available to me. As I walked in the store, I passed all of the camping equipment. I’m a retired Marine, and that equipment called to me. I remembered some videos that I saw on YouTube about hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, and the idea came over me like a warm blanket. Instead of buying a gun, I bought a tent, hiking boots, a sleeping bag and other camping supplies that I needed. I decided to hike the PCT— what else did I have to lose?
I started the drive to San Diego, CA the next morning from Dallas, Texas. I arrived three days later, parked my car at the airport, took an Uber to the US/Mexican Border and started walking north. I walked for the next 55 days... 536 miles, and along the way left all of my anger, hurt, and memories of what I thought was a good marriage in the mountains of Southern California. I came off of the trail somewhere near Mojave, CA to get back to Texas to go to my daughter’s college graduation. The man who left the trail wasn’t the man who started on the trail.
In the several weeks following my hike, I cut her off in every way humanly possible. I deleted all of our pictures, blocked her friends and family on social media and threw away all souvenirs and “reminders” of our marriage. She’s tried to contact me multiple times since then, but I set an email rule for anything from her or her family to go to my junk folder. I spent most of the next several months healing, working a part-time job, and writing about my experiences.
Fast forward to this last week— Christmas 2019. My adult children spent the holiday with me, and our relationship has gotten extremely close. My 23-year-old daughter and I had a falling out in late 2018... much of it was due to the stress I was going through with my ex, and her efforts to keep me from my children. We’ve managed to reconnect and get close in a way that I never thought possible. I’ve also been able to be there for my 19-year-old son—help him register for college, take him to work, and bond with him in a way that I haven’t been able to for many years. I was offered and accepted a job running a US congressional campaign. I’m the campaign manager for a retired Marine buddy who’s running for congress and saw my PCT posts. He reached out to me because he wanted someone with the perseverance that I showed.
My finances are better— a year of living like a monk will do that. I’ve involved myself in local sports, making new friends and enjoying my new activities. I’ve also found that I’m ready to enter the dating world again—I never thought I would want to get romantically involved ever again. However, rebuilding my happiness and self-confidence has allowed me to a place where I desire love again—this time being careful of my boundaries and not accepting devaluing behavior from any future romantic partner.
After a year, I feel good and hopeful for the future, and I never thought that I would be able to say that a year ago. I really didn’t.
Bottom Line: It can get better if you put the work in to find out who you are, what was wrong with you to let a toxic person in your life to begin with, and why you felt the need to stay. It’s been a journey to hell and back, but I’ve learned who I am. Most importantly, even though I found some flaws in myself, I discovered that I really do like who I see in the mirror every day and I’m a good person worthy of much better than I used to accept.
Don’t get me wrong… I still think about her, but now I remember her meanness and cruelty. I don’t miss her, but I miss the illusion that she created and what I thought we had. She does invade my thoughts occasionally, but it stirs disgust in the pit of my stomach now. Not the longing that I had for her a year ago. I miss the fantasy that she created, but now I know it was just that… a fantasy, and now it’s time to make that a reality with someone who is emotionally healthy, and not kill a part of myself to only make someone else happy for just a minute.
I will never again over give of myself to someone to prove my worth and value. If they don’t see it, there’s nothing I ever could do to change their mind.
Life can be good; however, we must choose whether we want to be happy or not
Thanks, so much of this story resonates with me on so many levels.. I suspect that it was a 27 1/2 year marriage vs 7 1/2 given the severity of his attachment, co-depenency, and age of their adult kids... Agree that this is such a great story and message for this thread and our fellow cc victims. I too occasionally catch myself, allowing her to invade my memory... As Christians I believe that it is also important for us to seek complete spiritual closure, off you will... I believe that we can reach this state of full closure thru genuine forgiveness. We have to be able to forgive ourselves for both our role as well as the impacts upon our loved ones. Ultimately, we have to be able to forgive the spouse/partner who had wronged us so. We can arrive at this point by acknowledging that this person is essentially a lost soul in need of HIS forgiveness and salvation. Once we genuinely know this we are able to find the means to forgive them and pray for them.
God bless
 

Silverwings

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Thanks, so much of this story resonates with me on so many levels.. I suspect that it was a 27 1/2 year marriage vs 7 1/2 given the severity of his attachment, co-depenency, and age of their adult kids... Agree that this is such a great story and message for this thread and our fellow cc victims. I too occasionally catch myself, allowing her to invade my memory... As Christians I believe that it is also important for us to seek complete spiritual closure, off you will... I believe that we can reach this state of full closure thru genuine forgiveness. We have to be able to forgive ourselves for both our role as well as the impacts upon our loved ones. Ultimately, we have to be able to forgive the spouse/partner who had wronged us so. We can arrive at this point by acknowledging that this person is essentially a lost soul in need of HIS forgiveness and salvation. Once we genuinely know this we are able to find the means to forgive them and pray for them.
God bless
I am so glad it blessed you!! God Be with you!!
 

Lanolin

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Another book that is useful is called Controlling People : How to recognise, understand and deal with people who try to control you by Patricia Evans

She doesnt mention narcissicsm as a personality disorder but actually goes into WHY people would want to control people...and just how they go about it. Many people dont see that they are independent of someone else, the moment you express that, it come undone for them because controlling people live in a fantasy world where everyone they latch on to is an extension of themselves. Like puppets on a string, or, in this book, she calls it 'teddy' ie. a controlling persons object of 'affection' who would never say anything or do anything themselves because 'teddy' would never do that. 'Teddy' is always going to be there for that person despite the reality that everyone is different with a mind and will of their own.

I think in a marriage it would be very hard to escape that since marriage actually means you have agreed to become one with each other and thus have power over each others body. But the Bible does say that we are to love and cherish our own bodies as ourselves but just because we might give our bodies to each other in marriage doesnt necessarily mean our minds and hearts follow.

another thing I learned was controlling people are attached BACKWARDS. I cant really explain it you might have to read the book to find out, but it is not the normal way of relating to people. I.e the controlling person tells you what you think, but that is wrong as only YOU can know what you really think.
 

CharliRenee

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it seems narcissism is a hyper lack of identity in Christ, stirred up by insecure, self absorbed tendencies that manifest itself in adulation of self.
 
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I really need to find that thread! I'm sorry, I had no idea.
This topic is big in my life because I've been with a narcissist for a very long time, and it's wrecked havoc on my life. I'm so restricted on what I can do, and who I can communicate with. He had me brainwashed against people for some time, but then I woke up and reality hit me. Why am I still with him?
I might be able to elaborate on that more soon.

You got me to open up a little. It's a long story.
 
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I am familiar with Narcissistic personality disorder. There are those out there who think everything is about them or will find a way to make it about them. Very difficult to detach from such individuals. They have a high need to control others and will go to great lengths to keep that control. Hard to get away from.