So You Want to Attain Righteousness via the Law?

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When you have believe false doctrine all your life it is hard to see the truth . a lot of false doctrine came out of the catholic church in the dark days , or in Huss day.
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Yes my wife being ex Catholic has explained the same thoughts to me.
 
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There are more than one set of laws in the bible. GODs ten commandment Laws Enforced . But moses handwriting that was against us was done away with .
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'Law keeping' can be a tricky concept. Does it pertain to what we do in our own effort, or what are the results of God's work in us?
 
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We need to attain righteousness all right But we do that by the faith in JESUS. By faith we can put away sin.
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By faith God conquers sin in us. The battle is the Lord's.
 
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Actually, the thread title is click bait to draw in the legalists to present their case so they can be exposed. Thanks for taking the bait. Now that you are here, can you show us how one can attain righteousness through the law???
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Draw them in? Sounds needy to me. Be satisfied that those who believe Paul and jESUS ON OBEDIENCE cannot be understood as wanting to please God.
 
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The song that comes into my head dright now is dedicated to all who seem to think everyone else is wrong.

"Don't Worry, Be Happy."
 
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Draw them in? Sounds needy to me. Be satisfied that those who believe Paul and JESUS ON OBEDIENCE cannot be understood as wanting to please God.
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Just because we have broken the law , & GOD forgives us , & washes us of our sins . That dose not give us the right to keep braking the law . that would be like the dog that turn to it's own vomit . & the sol that was wash . wallowing in the mire . What good is it For HIM to clean US if we go back wallowing in the mire . We just get dirty again . we can't stay clean as long if we keep wallowing in the mire .
GOD BLESS AS HE sees fit .
 
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Give one reason why we can't keep GODs law , The BIBLE says that gives the power to over come all things . So we can keep GODs Law ,If we live in the SPIRIT.
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If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us.

if you think you keep Gods law perfect (the requirement) you have not yet been trained by it
 
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'Law keeping' can be a tricky concept.
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No more than "walking in the Spirit" if the law being kept is of God, it is when one looks to external sources that it becomes tricky, but self-deceiving.
 
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If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us.

if you think you keep Gods law perfect (the requirement) you have not yet been trained by it
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1 john 3: 8 The BIBLE tells me , He that committeth sin is of the devil . & if I am of the devil I am in a lost condishtion .I WILL be LOST . But if I obey GOD . by faith & keep HIS commandments , Well this is right. GOD bless.
 
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1 john 3: 8 The BIBLE tells me , He that committeth sin is of the devil . & if I am of the devil I am in a lost condishtion .I WILL be LOST . But if I obey GOD . by faith & keep HIS commandments , Well this is right. GOD bless.
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Seems we have an issue
if I say I have no sin I am deceived
yet the same author says if I sin I am of the devil

That’s a no win situation as I can’t do what is required
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us.

if you think you keep Gods law perfect (the requirement) you have not yet been trained by it
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Aman & i'm proble one of the biggest sinner in here , But that just gives me more to praise JUSUS FOR ,
If I see that I have sinned again . Then I go back to JESUS . To get the BLOOD to cover that sin also . That is what JESUS is doing in the sanctuary NOW. GOD bless
 

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eternally-gratefull said:
Seems we have an issue
if I say I have no sin I am deceived
yet the same author says if I sin I am of the devil

That’s a no win situation as I can’t do what is required
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We can keep GODs law if we will denie Self & live in the spirit , HE says HE gives us power to overcome all things .That dose count sin too . GOD bless
 
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We can keep GODs law if we will denie Self & live in the spirit , HE says HE gives us power to overcome all things .That dose count sin too . GOD bless
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If we could keep the law we could be sinless

I agree. If we remain in the spirit
that’s a big if!. Paul could not so it! far be it for me to think I am better than Paul
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If we could keep the law we could be sinless

I agree. If we remain in the spirit
that’s a big if!. Paul could not so it! far be it for me to think I am better than Paul
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I do think you miss under stand paul there . & paul even said that he had not obtained .
& peter tell us that a some the that Paul wrote was hard to understand . So we need to be carful & pray for understanding GOD BLESS & be with you as HE sees fit , for HE knows what we need.
 
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Rev - 14:12 says here is the patience of the saints ; here are they that keep the commandments of GOD , & have the faith of JESUS.
Rev - 12:17 says And the dragon was wroth with the woman or [church] , & went to make war with the remnant of her seed ,which keep the commandments of GOD, & have the testimony of JESUS CHRIST .
Rev - 20:14 blessed are they that do HIS commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life .& may enter in through the gates into the city. .
All of these tells us that HIS saints haft to be keeping the commandments to go to heaven . There is no sin with out the commandments , That's why we need JESUS , Because we have broke them . the wages of sin is death. GOD BLESS
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This is tribulation doctrine not Church doctrine. In the tribulation, one must endure to the end by keeping the commandments of God and maintaining the faith of Christ. If you sell out to the Antichrist, turn your back on God, you will surely be damned.
 
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This is tribulation doctrine not Church doctrine. In the tribulation, one must endure to the end by keeping the commandments of God and maintaining the faith of Christ. If you sell out to the Antichrist, turn your back on God, you will surely be damned.
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This is just think . I do believe that the church will go through thetribulation , just like jews was in Egypt
The plagues didn't hurt them , or come near . just because the plagues are on the wicked don't ,mean they are on HIS saints. Look at the three Hebrews in the furnace . they where delivered . GOD BLESS . & I do believe that the BIBLE teachs this too
 
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This is just think . I do believe that the church will go through thetribulation , just like jews was in Egypt
The plagues didn't hurt them , or come near . just because the plagues are on the wicked don't ,mean they are on HIS saints. Look at the three Hebrews in the furnace . they where delivered . GOD BLESS . & I do believe that the BIBLE teachs this too
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Never compare Israel to the Church.

Btw, if the Church is going through the tribulation, which part? The Church is the body of Christ. Which part of His body will be going through? The majority of the Church has died and their souls are present with the Lord.
 
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Never compare Israel to the Church.

Btw, if the Church is going through the tribulation, which part? The Church is the body of Christ. Which part of His body will be going through? The majority of the Church has died and their souls are present with the Lord.
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The saints are asleep in their the graves & will be until comes raises them out of their sleep .
 
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