Why is Jesus referred to as the Morning Star?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Deade

Called of God
Dec 17, 2017
16,724
10,531
113
78
Vinita, Oklahoma, USA
yeshuaofisrael.org
"The evolution of the theory of Satan keeps pace with the development of Jewish angelology and demonology. In Wisdom ii. 24 he is represented, with reference to Gen. iii., as the author of all evil, who brought death into the world; he is apparently mentioned also in Ecclus. (Sirach) xxi. 27, and the fact that his name does not occur in Daniel is doubtless due merely to chance. Satan was the seducer and the paramour of Eve, and was hurled from heaven together with other angels because of his iniquity (Slavonic Book of Enoch, xxix. 4 et seq.). Since that time he has been called "Satan," although previously he had been termed "Satanel" (ib. xxxi. 3 et seq.). The doctrine of the fall of Satan, as well as of the fall of the angels, is found also in Babylonia (Schrader, l.c. p. 464), and is mentioned several times in the New Testament. Satan rules over an entire host of angels (Martyrdom of Isaiah, ii. 2; Vita Adæ et Evæ, xvi.). Mastema, who induced God to test Abraham through the sacrifice of Isaac, is identical with Satan in both name and nature (Book of Jubilees, xvii. 18), and the Asmodeus of the Book of Tobit is likewise to be identified with him, especially in view of his licentiousness. As the lord of satans he not infrequently bears the special name Samael. It is difficult to identify Satan in any other passages of the Apocrypha, since the originals in which his name occurred have been lost, and the translations employ various equivalents.
Here I see books not in the Christian canon: Wisdom, Enoch, Jubilees, Tobit and Apocrypha. And you suppose we should acknowledge these for doctrine? No, thank you. I will stick to my scripture and not be misled. 17no.gif
 

TheLearner

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2019
8,183
1,574
113
68
Brighton, MI
Here I see books not in the Christian canon: Wisdom, Enoch, Jubilees, Tobit and Apocrypha. And you suppose we should acknowledge these for doctrine? No, thank you. I will stick to my scripture and not be misled. View attachment 209296
The sources I quoted are valid because they are historical and had influence on the NT. The quote(s) I have given clearly demonstrates that.

The book of I Enoch also, influenced the NT concerning demonology. One, not being aware of the cultural background allows for more serious misinterpretations of the NT.

Pray for me, I am sick today and resting,
daniel
 

TheLearner

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2019
8,183
1,574
113
68
Brighton, MI
There are problems reading the Bible without knowing the cultural, historical and Linguistic information when interpreting the Bible. For example, pretending that the tree in the bible is a Christmas tree.

When two or more people have different understandings of a text, how do you know which is right? It could be all are wrong too.
 

TheLearner

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2019
8,183
1,574
113
68
Brighton, MI
Romans 16:20 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
19-20 Your loyalty to the principles of the Gospel is known everywhere, and that gives me great joy. I want to see you experts in good, and not even beginners in evil. It will not be long before the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
 

TheLearner

Well-known member
Jan 14, 2019
8,183
1,574
113
68
Brighton, MI
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was one of the twelve;
 

presidente

Senior Member
May 29, 2013
9,161
1,789
113
Is the word for the star lucifer in Latin? I hear the word is used of Christ in the Vulgate translation. Somehow, the KJV ended up with that word used as a name in Isaiah 14 and came to be viewed as a personal name for the Devil in English.