Cain's Offering

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Dino246

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And as the English language continues to change, we take the Bible along with it? No thanks. I’ll leave it alone.
I fixed it for you, to demonstrate the silliness of your position.
 

John146

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Nothing in Ahwatukee's post suggested "choosing which you like best" or making the reader the final authority. That's your closed-minded bias poisoning your perception.

You stubbornly continue to hold to a fringe belief, and you use ridiculous arguments to defend it. Just read the version you choose and leave others to study the Bible as they see fit.
I do, but when someone degrades the KJV, I’m going to defend it. Don’t you wish you had God’s word you could take a stand for?
 

John146

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I fixed it for you, to demonstrate the silliness of your position.
Do you have a problem with the message? You shouldn’t, For it’s the word of God in our everyday language. Yo, you feel me dog?😉 I’m working on the slang version so people have the Bible in their language. I’m sure the Lord is pleased.
 

Dino246

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I do, but when someone degrades the KJV, I’m going to defend it.
That's because you don't believe it can stand on its own. Expressing a preference is not degrading the KJV. Your actions are no better than those of SJW snowflakes.
 

John146

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That's because you don't believe it can stand on its own. Expressing a preference is not degrading the KJV. Your actions are no better than those of SJW snowflakes.
It has for more than 400 years without me. It will last another 400 if the Lord doesn’t return first.
 

John146

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That's because you don't believe it can stand on its own. Expressing a preference is not degrading the KJV. Your actions are no better than those of SJW snowflakes.
It wasn’t just merely expressing a preference, but claiming the KJV had many errors. That I will always defend against.
 

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That's because you don't believe it can stand on its own. Expressing a preference is not degrading the KJV. Your actions are no better than those of SJW snowflakes.
How about James White? Is he just expressing a preference? Or making a living by attacking the KJV?
 

Dino246

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It has for more than 400 years without me. It will last another 400 if the Lord doesn’t return first.
Given this, you don't need to criticize others when they express their personal preferences, and you don't need to stand up for the KJV every time someone writes something positive about another translation.
 

John146

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Given this, you don't need to criticize others when they express their personal preferences, and you don't need to stand up for the KJV every time someone writes something positive about another translation.
I don’t, just when a negative is spoken. If you went back to the beginning of the conversation, you’d see that.
 

Dino246

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It wasn’t just merely expressing a preference, but claiming the KJV had many errors. That I will always defend against.
Which Ahwatukee did not do, in the post to which you responded. You are like the proverbial kid with a chip on your shoulder.
 

Dino246

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How about James White? Is he just expressing a preference? Or making a living by attacking the KJV?
Oh goodness... you're so far off base that you're playing in the next county.
 
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I would add that enduring to the end is not a matter of eternal salvation for those tribulation saints, but actual survival. If those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved.
Enduring to the end of what? Actual survival of the spirit? All saints work in tribulation no such thing as non tribulation saints . Abel's actual survival of the flesh was cut off. It was a final tribulation for him . We walk after the unseen spirit.

The flesh like the flesh of Jesus profits for nothing .

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. John 6:63-68
 

Dino246

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I don’t, just when a negative is spoken. If you went back to the beginning of the conversation, you’d see that.
You have a significant problem with anyone saying that the KJV has errors.

It has errors. Deal with it.
 

posthuman

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"By faith Abel offered God [a better sacrifice] than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous when God gave approval to his gifts. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead."

"And the LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, (because it required shed blood), but He had no regard for Cain and his offering (because it had nothing to do with the shedding of blood, but represents His own works. This is the meaning behind this teaching.
that's still just "because you say so" -- isn't there any traceable reasoning / justification?
 

posthuman

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I would add that enduring to the end is not a matter of eternal salvation for those tribulation saints, but actual survival. If those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved.
wait, if "enduring to the end" = physical survival through the tribulation, then the saints who were beheaded in Revelation 20:4 did not endure to the end -- which . . what are they doing sitting on thrones reigning with Christ for a thousand years if these are they which failed to endure?

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
i must be misunderstanding your comment because it seems to be making reward in heaven a matter of stocking up on canned goods & rifle ammo, and hiding in caves & bomb shelters.
 

John146

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Which Ahwatukee did not do, in the post to which you responded. You are like the proverbial kid with a chip on your shoulder.
Actually, another poster claimed the KJV had many errors and Ahwatukee was coming to her defense. Thank you.
 

John146

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Enduring to the end of what? Actual survival of the spirit? All saints work in tribulation no such thing as non tribulation saints . Abel's actual survival of the flesh was cut off. It was a final tribulation for him . We walk after the unseen spirit.

The flesh like the flesh of Jesus profits for nothing .

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. John 6:63-68
Staying alive through the tribulation.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 

John146

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wait, if "enduring to the end" = physical survival through the tribulation, then the saints who were beheaded in Revelation 20:4 did not endure to the end -- which . . what are they doing sitting on thrones reigning with Christ for a thousand years if these are they which failed to endure?

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
i must be misunderstanding your comment because it seems to be making reward in heaven a matter of stocking up on canned goods & rifle ammo, and hiding in caves & bomb shelters.
What did John see? He saw those who were on thrones giving judgment and he saw another group who were beheaded for their witness. Both groups reign with Christ a thousand years.
 

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Staying 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Tests our faith for what purpose? And whose faith will be tested? The Church?
Deuteronomy 13:1Suppose there are prophets among you or those who dream dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, 2 and the predicted signs or miracles occur. If they then say, ‘Come, let us worship other gods’—gods you have not known before— 3 do not listen to them. The Lord your God is testing you to see if you truly love him with all your heart and soul.

James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

He tests us to see if we truly love Him. To see if we will not be shaken. It is how He does things. Tests our faith. In the James passage it says trying our faith worketh patience, which patience can be translated as endurance.

You asked who He is testing? All of us. We are the church. He tests all of us. We are not saved because we attend a particular church. It all depends on our personal relationship with God.

2 Timothy 4:1 I solemnly urge you in the presence of God and Christ Jesus, who will someday judge the living and the dead when he comes to set up his Kingdom: 2 Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.
3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.
5 But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don’t be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at telling others the Good News, and fully carry out the ministry God has given you.
6 As for me, my life has already been poured out as an offering to God. The time of my death is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful. 8 And now the prize awaits me—the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.
 

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You read him wrongly. The unbelieving Jews are not part of the body of Christ.

A group of them will, however, believe in Jesus as their Messiah during the Tribulation. They will then become those saints who will need to persist to the end, and not take the mark of the beast.
Ahuwatakee said this "Israel is not the church. The 144,000 is not the church. Each are different saved groups of people."

I did not read him wrong. It was my fault for using "jews" to translate for israel. But the end of the matter there is no seperation of church. There is only one body. That body is the church, or the bride of Christ. Not 2 brides. Not 7 brides. One bride.

1 Corinthians 12:12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. 13 Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.