When the body dies, what happens to the spirit?

Yes, it is, ...do the saved or unsaved go to Hades (rhetorical). therefore, they've been judged, the verdict has been determined, obviously (and this without the Books being opened)? Lazarus & the rich man story was an allegory, don't confuse fabrication with reality.

Jesus was in the grave 3 days, and walked on earth for 40 more days before ascending to heaven. How in the world could the thief be in paradise before Christ, was even raised for one, and seated on his throne for two.

How in the world is the Lazarus parable real, name me one thing? Will the righteous be communicating with the damned while in Abraham's bosom? Will the damned be asking for water when logistically it's impossible to offer them some? How will one realm visually see someone in the other realm, for who would want to watch their torment?

Words can't express how wrong that you are!

Jesus body was in the tomb for 3 days, but his spirit went down into Sheol/Hades, the same place where Abraham and Lazarus were, as well as the rest of the OT saints.

The reference to "paradise" is referring to that place of comfort where Lazarus and Abraham were, not heaven. If you can remember correctly, when Jesus resurrected and appeared to Mary Magdalena, Jesus told her not to hang on to Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father, meaning that he had not yet ascended to heaven, which means that place referred to as paradise was not heaven. The spirits of both Jesus and the thief were in Hades in that place of comfort/paradise.



On the contrary, the word of God confirms how right I am.

In answer to your question, if you read the event in its plain literal meaning, obviously, Abraham and the rich man were having a conversation. For the context states that the place where Abraham and Lazarus were was divided by a great chasm so that no one could pass over from either side. What you're doing is ignoring the literal information given within the context and assigning some symbolic meaning and thereby distorting it.

I don't have to name just one thing, but everything in the context demonstrates that Jesus was revealing a literal event, with literal people, which He was aware of prior to His incarnation. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a parabolic meaning. It is by force that you and others interpret it as a parable. For if you just read it in its plain literal sense, it means what it says.

Parables use symbolism to represent what is literal. The rich man and Lazarus does not read like a parable. For it uses the real names of Abraham, Lazarus, Moses, mentions the prophets, the rich man's father and his five brothers, as well as the real location of Hades. Parables don't do that.

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Strong's Concordance
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Jesus body was in the tomb for 3 days, but his spirit went down into Sheol/Hades, the same place where Abraham and Lazarus were, as well as the rest of the OT saints.

The reference to "paradise" is referring to that place of comfort where Lazarus and Abraham were, not heaven. If you can remember correctly, when Jesus resurrected and appeared to Mary Magdalena, Jesus told her not to hang on to Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father, meaning that he had not yet ascended to heaven, which means that place referred to as paradise was not heaven. The spirits of both Jesus and the thief were in Hades in that place of comfort/paradise.



On the contrary, the word of God confirms how right I am.

In answer to your question, if you read the event in its plain literal meaning, obviously, Abraham and the rich man were having a conversation. For the context states that the place where Abraham and Lazarus were was divided by a great chasm so that no one could pass over from either side. What you're doing is ignoring the literal information given within the context and assigning some symbolic meaning and thereby distorting it.

I don't have to name just one thing, but everything in the context demonstrates that Jesus was revealing a literal event, with literal people, which He was aware of prior to His incarnation. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to apply a parabolic meaning. It is by force that you and others interpret it as a parable. For if you just read it in its plain literal sense, it means what it says.

Parables use symbolism to represent what is literal. The rich man and Lazarus does not read like a parable. For it uses the real names of Abraham, Lazarus, Moses, mentions the prophets, the rich man's father and his five brothers, as well as the real location of Hades. Parables don't do that.

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Strong's Concordance
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

The world is a big place. Not everybody goes to the same place when they leave their body. I believe there are two of us one for the flesh and one for the spirit. One of us dies and goes back to dust the other continues living at a place slightly higher (toward heaven) or slightly lower (toward death and hades) than where we were on earth when we die but those left behind cannot see us. These realms are earth like realms that have the same appearance as earth. Some of us continue living without even realizing at the outset that we died while others are resting until the resurrection. This means that our spirit has a multidimensional state of being. We can be at multiple locations at the same time. Part of the blessing about the great wedding banquet in the sky is that this is at a time and place where all these multidimensional roads meet and we will become aware of all of our experiences we had in these other places and these experiences will converge into a great reunion with all our loved ones. What an exciting time! Can't wait!

some scripture and some personal experience. "flesh gives birth to flesh and spirit gives birth to spirit". "he who believes will never die". "God is love". Jesus appeared to the 500 at the same time. Jesus walked through walls when he reappeared on earth. The story of rich man who died and the angels carried him away. "I will be in the heart of the earth for 3 days"

Throughout the Word from Genesis we are reminded that to die for believing folks is simply going to sleep.

We know in the NT that first the dead in Christ will be taken up to Him followed by those yet in the flesh and living...

How many times have we all seen the letters, R.I.P? They mean reat in peace and they are inscribed on mdany tombstones of many believers who have gone to sleep with our fathers. No mystery; until Jesus, Yeshua, returns, all who died in Christ are asleep.

I am sorry for the passing of your wife's Grandmother, but know she is at peace...God bless you.

Why did Paul say he would rather be absent from the body, and present with the Lord then?
And also, Jesus said to the their on the cross, "Today you will be with me in Paradise."
So our physical bodies are asleep until the resurrection but we ourselves are with the Lord.

My wife's grandmother died recently, and there is now some debate between family members as to whether you go immediately to be with Christ of if you sleep until the resurrection.

After doing some Bible study, I want to say you go immediately to Christ, but I am honest enough to say I am biased in the matter, and could be reading my own desires into the scriptures.

Once the Holy Spirit enters into each of us we are in Christ. How much more present may a person be while yet in the flesh.

Old and the New has shared how there was no punctuation in the Greek on the subject of the thief being in Paradise because placing the comma in the proper plce demonstrates that the today refers to the thief's declaration of his own beleif of Jesus guaranteeing he would later be with our Savior.

Just as when the Holy Spirit comes into any of us, we are given the same message as was given the thief..

All of the Word teaches of the resurrection how the dead in Christ, Yeshua, will be taken up first and then those who remain quick, that is alive to meet Him above…….. The thief died just as to all who believe, that is, until His return.

My wife's grandmother died recently, and there is now some debate between family members as to whether you go immediately to be with Christ of if you sleep until the resurrection.

After doing some Bible study, I want to say you go immediately to Christ, but I am honest enough to say I am biased in the matter, and could be reading my own desires into the scriptures.