3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists
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I would suggest it is foolishness to misrepresent the words of Jesus in His Father's own book.
Samaritans and Jews were at odds in Jesus' day. The Samaritan woman at the well was not born again when she met Jesus at the well.
The Book of John chapter 4:7A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give me a drink.” 8 (For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.) 9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?” (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again.[b] The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
Samaritans and Jews were at odds in Jesus' day. The Samaritan woman at the well was not born again when she met Jesus at the well.
The Book of John chapter 4:7A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give me a drink.” 8 (For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.) 9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “How is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?” (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again.[b] The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” 15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
Oh yes! They are!
There are some whom God "predestined" to be "born in flesh" at a "particular point" during the timeline of this current earth/heaven age.
God knows who they are, and into what circumstances they will be born into.
This special group of people, calvinists or not, seem to have a more fuller understanding of "predestination/God is in control" "micro-managment", of God, and "people called by His name", as well as the fulfilling of His will and good pleasure, that the "free-will" of mankind erodes continually. Which leads us to His "Irresistible Grace."
Meaning, and I know you have stated "forcing", and indeed it may well be a "forcing" by God. Which in itself begs the question Is God "sovereign?", or not? And, if in one's mind, God is sovereign? Then "why should His forcing", be such a problem to you? Or anyone else, for that matter.
Perhaps you don't understand irresistible, or forcing. Do you think God can put an individual in such a position, or line of thinking, whereby EVERY way "out", or every "argument", logical or not, one can make in refusing is methodically, and systematically, stripped away? Leaving one with No OTHER Option, SAVE Acceptance? The answer is: "Of course!" "God can do ANYTHING He wants!"
But, let's not get the cart too far in front of the horse here. I know you're asking, "Why would ANYONE refuse in the first place?" Right?
That is answered quite simply in this 6 worded phrase:
"Lean not on your own understanding!"
That's the "crux of the biscuit." In a "nutshell."
Because, God's methodology, in "regenerating, rejuvenating, also called healing", of one's heart, soul, mind, spirit, flesh, as well as strength?
Is GOING to (NOT SHALL) take one to places that one is NOT going to understand, in this "healing process."
Why? Because God knows you, better then you know you! (FACT)
Places where "sin abounds", that "LOVE", just doesn't cover! (FACT)
Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (all the fruit of the Spirit...NOT just love! ALL!)
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
There are some whom God "predestined" to be "born in flesh" at a "particular point" during the timeline of this current earth/heaven age.
God knows who they are, and into what circumstances they will be born into.
This special group of people, calvinists or not, seem to have a more fuller understanding of "predestination/God is in control" "micro-managment", of God, and "people called by His name", as well as the fulfilling of His will and good pleasure, that the "free-will" of mankind erodes continually. Which leads us to His "Irresistible Grace."
Meaning, and I know you have stated "forcing", and indeed it may well be a "forcing" by God. Which in itself begs the question Is God "sovereign?", or not? And, if in one's mind, God is sovereign? Then "why should His forcing", be such a problem to you? Or anyone else, for that matter.
Perhaps you don't understand irresistible, or forcing. Do you think God can put an individual in such a position, or line of thinking, whereby EVERY way "out", or every "argument", logical or not, one can make in refusing is methodically, and systematically, stripped away? Leaving one with No OTHER Option, SAVE Acceptance? The answer is: "Of course!" "God can do ANYTHING He wants!"
But, let's not get the cart too far in front of the horse here. I know you're asking, "Why would ANYONE refuse in the first place?" Right?
That is answered quite simply in this 6 worded phrase:
"Lean not on your own understanding!"
That's the "crux of the biscuit." In a "nutshell."
Because, God's methodology, in "regenerating, rejuvenating, also called healing", of one's heart, soul, mind, spirit, flesh, as well as strength?
Is GOING to (NOT SHALL) take one to places that one is NOT going to understand, in this "healing process."
Why? Because God knows you, better then you know you! (FACT)
Places where "sin abounds", that "LOVE", just doesn't cover! (FACT)
Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (all the fruit of the Spirit...NOT just love! ALL!)
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
I said Judas was repentant and forgiven. He was chosen by Omniscient Emmanuel God to be His Disciple. Did Jesus not know how Judas would serve in the Father's grace filled plan?
My dear sir or madam, as the gender specifies the salutation, I say this with the respect deserved in light of your posting history here; Anyone who calls creations of God, even those who are sinners, human trash, may hope until there is announced an E.T sequel trailer in my future, that I see things differently than they suppose is right and true.
My dear sir or madam, as the gender specifies the salutation, I say this with the respect deserved in light of your posting history here; Anyone who calls creations of God, even those who are sinners, human trash, may hope until there is announced an E.T sequel trailer in my future, that I see things differently than they suppose is right and true.
The Book of John chapter 3.
Jesus death on the cross took the sins of the world upon Himself that He be the propitiation for the sins of the entire world for all time.
Who so ever, breaking it down so as to frame the image, holds faith in that is saved. They are justified by the atoning work of Jesus on the cross.
I am not a vulture therefore I do not pick bones. There is no evidence that the Valley of Hinnom was a garbage dump.
Remember, parables! Jesus used parables to bring His eternal message to an eternally needy world.
Jesus death on the cross took the sins of the world upon Himself that He be the propitiation for the sins of the entire world for all time.
Who so ever, breaking it down so as to frame the image, holds faith in that is saved. They are justified by the atoning work of Jesus on the cross.
I am not a vulture therefore I do not pick bones. There is no evidence that the Valley of Hinnom was a garbage dump.
Remember, parables! Jesus used parables to bring His eternal message to an eternally needy world.
Ohhhh. So according to you, everyone is saved and there is no hell for sinners who suffer eternal punishment. Well....that goes beyond mere universalism to some kind of fantasy religion preaching a bogus Jesus and another gospel.
Jesus was not lying. He was not exaggerating. He was not jesting. He was WARNING sinners of imminent judgment. And the audience was FULLY AWARE of what he meant. In fact, there is no record of anyone asking for Jesus to "interpret" anything about Gehenna.
Jesus was not lying. He was not exaggerating. He was not jesting. He was WARNING sinners of imminent judgment. And the audience was FULLY AWARE of what he meant. In fact, there is no record of anyone asking for Jesus to "interpret" anything about Gehenna.
Matthew 5:22 – “But I say to you that everyone being angry with his brother will be liable to the judgment, and whoever shall say to his brother ‘Raca,’ will be liable to the Sanhedrin. But whoever shall say, ‘Fool!’ will be liable to the Gehenna of fire.”
Matthew 5:29 – “And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you. For it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should be cast into Gehenna.”
Matthew 5:30 – “And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should depart into Gehenna.”
Matthew 10:28 – “And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”
Matthew 18:9 – “And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and cast it from you; it is better for you to enter into life one-eyed, than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.”
Matthew 23:15 – “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert, and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves.”
Matthew 23:33, to the Pharisees – “Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How shall you escape from the sentence of Gehenna?”
Mark 9:43 – “And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life crippled, than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire”
Mark 9:45 – “And if your foot should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life lame, than having the two feet, to be cast into Gehenna.”
Mark 9:47 – “And if your eye should cause you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into Gehenna,”
Luke 12:5 – “But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who has authority, after the killing, to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I say to you, fear Him.”
Well that doesn't mean they are trash, just means that they are like trash in there sin and like trash they are worthy of holy burning.
Anyway, im sure you would agree with this right?
because they are not trash but images of God, with value, and now worthy of this righteous destruction through there sin.
Anyway, im sure you would agree with this right?
because they are not trash but images of God, with value, and now worthy of this righteous destruction through there sin.
"human beings have eternal value as images of God"
God is not throwing away His adopted sons and daughters. They are a precious love gift to the Son.
Those in Christ are a sweet smelling savor to God.
Unforgiven sinners are a stench in His nostrils, who will suffer eternal wrath.
I will leave the rest to your imagination.
God is not throwing away His adopted sons and daughters. They are a precious love gift to the Son.
Those in Christ are a sweet smelling savor to God.
Unforgiven sinners are a stench in His nostrils, who will suffer eternal wrath.
I will leave the rest to your imagination.
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