That scripture means that there will be both types of people during that time, some righteous and some unrighteous. It doesn't mean that there will be only one or the other. Those who are righteous are those who keep the testimony of Christ. Those who are unrighteous are those who continue to reject Christ and remain in their sins.
WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?
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Matthew 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
Matthew 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth and to another, Come, and he cometh and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed,
Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Matthew 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth and to another, Come, and he cometh and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed,
Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Matthew 9:36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
Matthew 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Matthew 9:38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
Matthew 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Matthew 9:38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
I Believe there is an overlap in the meaning.
Is it implied the wise got their oil through a store purchase?
"Buy" is also used in rev in the 7 letters.
"..I suggest you buy gold refined in the fire..."
I belive the inference is,I can get oil 2 places. From other believers,and the original source"heaven/Jesus"
The other inference is,both groups were aware of it.
But the lesson learned is be ready.
No oil...no go with groom
Is it implied the wise got their oil through a store purchase?
"Buy" is also used in rev in the 7 letters.
"..I suggest you buy gold refined in the fire..."
I belive the inference is,I can get oil 2 places. From other believers,and the original source"heaven/Jesus"
The other inference is,both groups were aware of it.
But the lesson learned is be ready.
No oil...no go with groom
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Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Gods Word "2 Advents"
Mans Theory "3 Advents"
Gods Word "kept from the wrath of God is through the Blood of Christ"
Mans Theory "will be taken to heaven"
Gods Word "all things are possible with God"
Mans Theory "God can't keep you safe when he pours out His wrath on the wicked" ( in effect calling God a liar)
Gods Word "one of the two churches Christ found no fault with will definitely be here"
Mans Theory "churches will be gone only saints and the wicked remain"
Gods Word "time of Jacobs trouble is Jacob-Israel, trouble for them, not wrath"
Mans Theory "Jews are Jacob and will be here with the wicked" (I guess because God blinded the Jews, so the gentiles could be offered salvation, and now they must be punished for that blindness, really?)
Gods Word "tribulation and wrath are different"
Mans Theory "tribulation and wrath are the same"
Gods Word "direct reference to last or 7 trump"
Mans Theory "trumps are not specific and don't mean the same things"
Gods Word "put on the gospel armor"
Mans Theory "put on wedding dress"
Gods Word "Stand in the evil day"
Mans Theory "fly away to safety"
Gods Word "DO"
Mans Theory "do nothing"
Gods Word "work"
Mans Theory "rest"
Gods Word "Jesus saves"
Mans Theory "Save yourself"
Gods Word "Spiritual war"
Mans Theory "Physical war"
Gods Word "Satan deceives with flatteries, deceives the whole world not written in the book of Life"
Mans Theory "Satan is killing everyone, no one will hardly be left"
Gods Word "I have not spoken in secret"
Mans Theory "secret coming of Christ"
Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand
Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints
Has man convinced you that 1 Thess 4 is "a gathering of the church"? Is it really or is it just taken out of the context God put it in and turned into something else for Mans Theory?
1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Pretty sure everyone agrees with this being what is the subject for the verses to follow, and that it basically says "Don't be sad like the heathen, about those who have died
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
says basically "Jesus died and rose, and so do we, and when Jesus returns, they are coming with him"
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Now the subject has not changed, it is reiterating that they have gone on to heaven, and "the living" don't stop that process
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first
There are those who don't believe in resurrection until the return of Chirst so they can not understand this and they believe that this is when "souls come out of the ground" but we have just been told that is not true. But I leave this for now.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
There has not been one word spoken of Satan. There has not one word been spoken whether he has come or not. This entire description is on those who have died and how we will be reunited. Does anything follow that will "clue us in"? Does God make sure we are aware of the "timing" of this event in the next couple verses?
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
We don't need to be told of the times or the seasons, we know that it is with "His brightness Satan is destroyed". Jesus won't be coming as a thief in the night TO US, only to the wicked.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
We know that the arrival of the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a complete surprise to the world who "believe" they have BEEN worshipping him. They are not expecting "Christs Return" EVER, having been deceived by the one "calling himself" God.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape.
And having studied, we know Satan is coming to be worshipped as God. The one world order under" the prince of the power of the air" will have the whole world believing, through his deception, there is peace and safety on earth. BUT we know it is a fake peace, a fake safety,
AND THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION of all those illusions of the wicked and deceived when JESUS TRULY RETURNS, most unexpectedly, like a thief in the night, to those in darkness.
We know for sure a few things happen at this point.
Satan is destroyed, put into the pit for the thousand years.
And there are those of true faith and knowledge, who have overcome, who have endured, who will be changed to be forever with the Lord, the 1st resurrection.
But what about the wicked and the deceived? Could they be a very "recent" group of evil dead (that Shout as He is descending would scare me to death, especially if as I was seeing I was realizing the True Christ was coming with armies. Makes me think back to when God was talking, just talking, with the children before they had Moses take over because God talking was so scary. Could you imagine how Him shouting would feel)
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day, we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Gods Word "2 Advents"
Mans Theory "3 Advents"
Gods Word "kept from the wrath of God is through the Blood of Christ"
Mans Theory "will be taken to heaven"
Gods Word "all things are possible with God"
Mans Theory "God can't keep you safe when he pours out His wrath on the wicked" ( in effect calling God a liar)
Gods Word "one of the two churches Christ found no fault with will definitely be here"
Mans Theory "churches will be gone only saints and the wicked remain"
Gods Word "time of Jacobs trouble is Jacob-Israel, trouble for them, not wrath"
Mans Theory "Jews are Jacob and will be here with the wicked" (I guess because God blinded the Jews, so the gentiles could be offered salvation, and now they must be punished for that blindness, really?)
Gods Word "tribulation and wrath are different"
Mans Theory "tribulation and wrath are the same"
Gods Word "direct reference to last or 7 trump"
Mans Theory "trumps are not specific and don't mean the same things"
Gods Word "put on the gospel armor"
Mans Theory "put on wedding dress"
Gods Word "Stand in the evil day"
Mans Theory "fly away to safety"
Gods Word "DO"
Mans Theory "do nothing"
Gods Word "work"
Mans Theory "rest"
Gods Word "Jesus saves"
Mans Theory "Save yourself"
Gods Word "Spiritual war"
Mans Theory "Physical war"
Gods Word "Satan deceives with flatteries, deceives the whole world not written in the book of Life"
Mans Theory "Satan is killing everyone, no one will hardly be left"
Gods Word "I have not spoken in secret"
Mans Theory "secret coming of Christ"
Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand
Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints
Has man convinced you that 1 Thess 4 is "a gathering of the church"? Is it really or is it just taken out of the context God put it in and turned into something else for Mans Theory?
1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Pretty sure everyone agrees with this being what is the subject for the verses to follow, and that it basically says "Don't be sad like the heathen, about those who have died
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
says basically "Jesus died and rose, and so do we, and when Jesus returns, they are coming with him"
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Now the subject has not changed, it is reiterating that they have gone on to heaven, and "the living" don't stop that process
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first
There are those who don't believe in resurrection until the return of Chirst so they can not understand this and they believe that this is when "souls come out of the ground" but we have just been told that is not true. But I leave this for now.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
There has not been one word spoken of Satan. There has not one word been spoken whether he has come or not. This entire description is on those who have died and how we will be reunited. Does anything follow that will "clue us in"? Does God make sure we are aware of the "timing" of this event in the next couple verses?
1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
We don't need to be told of the times or the seasons, we know that it is with "His brightness Satan is destroyed". Jesus won't be coming as a thief in the night TO US, only to the wicked.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
We know that the arrival of the Lord Jesus Christ will come as a complete surprise to the world who "believe" they have BEEN worshipping him. They are not expecting "Christs Return" EVER, having been deceived by the one "calling himself" God.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape.
And having studied, we know Satan is coming to be worshipped as God. The one world order under" the prince of the power of the air" will have the whole world believing, through his deception, there is peace and safety on earth. BUT we know it is a fake peace, a fake safety,
AND THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION of all those illusions of the wicked and deceived when JESUS TRULY RETURNS, most unexpectedly, like a thief in the night, to those in darkness.
We know for sure a few things happen at this point.
Satan is destroyed, put into the pit for the thousand years.
And there are those of true faith and knowledge, who have overcome, who have endured, who will be changed to be forever with the Lord, the 1st resurrection.
But what about the wicked and the deceived? Could they be a very "recent" group of evil dead (that Shout as He is descending would scare me to death, especially if as I was seeing I was realizing the True Christ was coming with armies. Makes me think back to when God was talking, just talking, with the children before they had Moses take over because God talking was so scary. Could you imagine how Him shouting would feel)
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day, we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Ezekiel 20:39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.
Ezekiel 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
Ezekiel 20:41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
(Not in Heaven but before the heathen)
Ezekiel 20:42 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.
Ezekiel 20:43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
Ezekiel 20:44 And ye shall know that I am the LORD when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
Ezekiel 20:41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
(Not in Heaven but before the heathen)
Ezekiel 20:42 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.
Ezekiel 20:43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
Ezekiel 20:44 And ye shall know that I am the LORD when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
There’s no reference to the Church in the OT? You keep forcing passages to Israel upon the Church.
Again I ask you, if the Church is going through the tribulation...which part of the Church? It can’t be the whole Church. That would mean all members from the resurrection up to the tribulation. Christ Himself is part of the Church, the head of the body.
Again I ask you, if the Church is going through the tribulation...which part of the Church? It can’t be the whole Church. That would mean all members from the resurrection up to the tribulation. Christ Himself is part of the Church, the head of the body.
I Believe that the two witnesses are both individual beings such as Moses and Elijah but they are also the heads of two churches. The two witnesses are also two churches and we know this because the text says these are the "two lampstands" Rev 11:4. And we know what the lampstands represent they represent churches as stated in Rev 1:20 "the 7 lampstands are the 7 churches". My questions is what do the two olive trees represent?
The body of Christ, all who are alive, in the flesh, on the earth when Satan is cast from heaven. The spiritual House of Israel. The first who shall be last.
Those who have gone to sleep do not return until they return with Christ for the Lords Day.
Who do you see the "Church" or body of Christ, as being made up of?
Christ came Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
So you can rest assured the church is made up of those "sands of the sea, stars of the sky, dust of the earth" of the bloodline and it is into that ROOT that the gentiles are grafted.
So the Church are the Christians of the world. Not Jew, nor Greek nor Gentile, BUT Christians, the body of Christ. Those are the churches that when addressed in Revelation is broken down to "Him that overcometh" shall receive....Not they. Why? because there are those who truly love the Lord God with all their strength, and heart and mind and so they PUT ON THE FULL GOSPEL ARMOR and can therefore "withstand the fiery darts of Satan" and can be of USE TO GOD, one way, as in "knowing to not premeditate what they will say and allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through them" when in their 10 day trial to return as many souls as possible back to God, before the Lords Day arrives and that door shuts.
because when the 4 hidden dynasties come into play, when Satan is here, RELiGION, POLITICAL, EDUCATIONAL AND MONETARY, and the Churches WILL NO LONGER BE "CHRISTS CHURCH" they will have become " those deceived into believing it still is "Christs Church" by the abomination of desolation, Satan.
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We must be careful not to pigeonhole the word lampstand. People do the same thing with the word "trumpet" which causes them to err in their eschatology. As an example, Rev.4:5 says the following:
"In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God."
Obviously, the lamps mentioned above are not churches. We need to keep everything within its own context.
As I said in a previous post, the word "ekklesia" translated as "church" is used 19 times, Then after the end of chapter 3 the word church is no longer used. It never appears again during the narrative of God's wrath, which are chapters 6 through 18. Since the two witnesses will be here during the time of God's wrath, then they cannot represent the church which is not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
In Rev.1:12 the lampstands represent the seven churches.
In Rev.4:5 the lampstands represent the seven Spirits of God
In Rev.11:4 the two olive trees and the two lampstands are both symbolic representing the two witnesses.
This is what I meant by keeping it in context.
It is the same with the two women of Revelation. In Rev.12 the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is symbolic representing the nation Israel. The woman in Chapter 17 is symbolically representing Rome/Vatican and her counterfeit church. Though they are two women, they are not the same women.
Another example is as follows:
"Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified." - Rev.11:8
"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." - Rev.17:18
In Rev.11:8 above, "the great city" refers to Jerusalem and that because it states "where also their Lord was crucified."
In Rev.17:18, "the great city" is referring to the woman who is also referred to as Babylon the great, i.e. Rome/Vatican
So, the phrase "the great city" in both scriptures, is referring to two different cities, which we can deduced from their context. Just fyi, Jerusalem has never ruled over the kings of the earth.
Blessings!
"In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God."
Obviously, the lamps mentioned above are not churches. We need to keep everything within its own context.
As I said in a previous post, the word "ekklesia" translated as "church" is used 19 times, Then after the end of chapter 3 the word church is no longer used. It never appears again during the narrative of God's wrath, which are chapters 6 through 18. Since the two witnesses will be here during the time of God's wrath, then they cannot represent the church which is not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
In Rev.1:12 the lampstands represent the seven churches.
In Rev.4:5 the lampstands represent the seven Spirits of God
In Rev.11:4 the two olive trees and the two lampstands are both symbolic representing the two witnesses.
This is what I meant by keeping it in context.
It is the same with the two women of Revelation. In Rev.12 the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is symbolic representing the nation Israel. The woman in Chapter 17 is symbolically representing Rome/Vatican and her counterfeit church. Though they are two women, they are not the same women.
Another example is as follows:
"Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified." - Rev.11:8
"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." - Rev.17:18
In Rev.11:8 above, "the great city" refers to Jerusalem and that because it states "where also their Lord was crucified."
In Rev.17:18, "the great city" is referring to the woman who is also referred to as Babylon the great, i.e. Rome/Vatican
So, the phrase "the great city" in both scriptures, is referring to two different cities, which we can deduced from their context. Just fyi, Jerusalem has never ruled over the kings of the earth.
Blessings!
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In Rev 4:5 these are the "lamps" not "lampstands". The lamps refer to the 7 spirits of God but the stands that hold the lamps are churches. So there will be 2 churches left who are also the two witnesses and are caught up in the clouds. They will be the last of the last of the churches to be raptured. This makes sense to me.
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The two witnesses will be two actual men and are not symbolic for churches. These two men will be killed and their bodies left in the streets of Jerusalem. As the scripture states, after 3 1/2 days they will stand up again, i.e. resurrect and be called up to heaven. This will take place in the middle of the seven years, which is well into the time of God's wrath. Therefore, they cannot be representing the church being caught up and that because it would put the living church on the earth during the period of God's wrath, which we are not appointed to suffer.
As I previously posted, the church is no longer mentioned after the end of chapter 3. You won't find the church mentioned anywhere in the narrative of God's wrath which is from chapter 6 thru 18. Yet, it is mentioned 19 times throughout chapters 1 thru 3. Coincidence? No! It is just one of the many clues given to us by God in Revelation.
As I previously posted, the church is no longer mentioned after the end of chapter 3. You won't find the church mentioned anywhere in the narrative of God's wrath which is from chapter 6 thru 18. Yet, it is mentioned 19 times throughout chapters 1 thru 3. Coincidence? No! It is just one of the many clues given to us by God in Revelation.
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No.
I already looked into the "only paul had the real gospel" deal.
Totally false
I read their material (feldic and stafford)and can easily disprove that the apostles were clueless to the "real gospel" of paul.
I vehemently resent that neutering job of Feldic and stafford.
Heresy big time.
If Jesus preached a different Gospel and the angels in heaven preach a different gospel then according to the bible,paul says "Let Him (Jesus) be accursed"
Not only that but Paul towards the end of act PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.
(That dreaded false gospel that the paulines made up out of thin air)
No,Jesus knows/knew the plan of salvation,as well as ALL THE APOSTLES.
And so do all the agents/angels of heaven.
It is simple and one word JESUS
JESUS is salvation.
We need men and doctrine to complicate it.
I already looked into the "only paul had the real gospel" deal.
Totally false
I read their material (feldic and stafford)and can easily disprove that the apostles were clueless to the "real gospel" of paul.
I vehemently resent that neutering job of Feldic and stafford.
Heresy big time.
If Jesus preached a different Gospel and the angels in heaven preach a different gospel then according to the bible,paul says "Let Him (Jesus) be accursed"
Not only that but Paul towards the end of act PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.
(That dreaded false gospel that the paulines made up out of thin air)
No,Jesus knows/knew the plan of salvation,as well as ALL THE APOSTLES.
And so do all the agents/angels of heaven.
It is simple and one word JESUS
JESUS is salvation.
We need men and doctrine to complicate it.