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"Out of"

Kept out of...not "in".

You even say yourself you will be martyred.
(Not kept)

Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
Ephesians 6:7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Ephesians 6:8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
Ephesians 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.



Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Ephesians 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

JACOB RENAMED ISRAEL BY GOD. FATHER OF THE 12 TRIBES OF WHICH 10 TRIBES SCATTERED TO THE WORLD TO SPREAD THE WORD OF GOD AND AS GODS CHILDREN, NATURALLY MAKE UP THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF TODAY ALONG WITH THE GENTILES AND WHOMSOEVER WILL. JACOB IS NOT JUST JUDAH, JERUSALEM OR THE NATION OF ISRAEL. JACOB MAKES UP THE PEOPLE WHO WERE TO BECOME AS THE SANDS OF THE SEAS, DUST OF THE EARTH, STARS OF THE SKY. WHAT IS THE MOST POPULAR CHURCH OF TODAY? GODS CHURCH. BUT GODS PEOPLE WILL PERISH FROM LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THROUGH FALSE TEACHING OF FALSE DOCTRINES OR BETTER PUT PEOPLE TO LAZY TO STUDY GODS COMPLETE WORD THEREFORE LACKING THE FULL GOSPEL ARMOR WHICH WILL RENDER THEM USELESS TO WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS OF SATAN AND MAKE A STAND FOR GOD.

IS A GENTILE A GENTILE ONCE THEY HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST? OR ARE THEY NOW A CHRISTIAN? WHAT IF THE TIME OF THE GENTILE IS COMPLETE BECAUSE A DOOR WILL SHUT AND NO OTHER GENTILE WILL BE ABLE TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN?

The time of God’s dealings with the Gentiles will come to an end, then He will turn His attention back to Israel and fulfill His covenant with them.

Absolutely said:
So you automatically are in that group and yes you will either take the mark or die since you thumb your nose at the bride/groom dynamic.
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As you can clearly see here, I said I am of the group who would be "BEHEADED" most likely crying with ......Gods will be done.
followed by
And if you thought "most likely crying" was in sadness at losing this life for Christ, you would be mistaken. I would be humbled and honored. Nothing less.

and just as you interpret the bible, you do to this also, meaning however it best fits what YOU WANT IT TO MEAN. I am of the group who KNOWS THEY WILL STILL BE HERE should Satan arrive BEFORE I DIE, making me one of the ones WHO WOULD BE/could be/would willingly be given up to death, GODS WILL BE DONE.

It is not for me to decide.

Nor should you. I hope I have cleared this up for you.

To be sure, I will put it another way, I would be willing, if it be Gods Will. I would not deny Christ to save my life. Would you?

DeighAnn,

Believers in Christ are supposed to be looking for the blessed hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Why you looking forward to God's wrath. Remember, that we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, which is made up of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. During the time when God will be pouring out His wrath upon the earth, the beasts kingdom will also be set up within that time of wrath. Believers in Christ cannot be on this earth during that time, because it will be coming upon the whole inhabited world and God's word says that we are not to suffer that coming wrath.

You continue to demonstrate that you do not recognize the different between the common trials and tribulations that come from having faith vs. God's coming unprecedented wrath. Being on the earth during that time will be an honor as you make it out to be.

When the apostles and the first century church were being persecuted and killed, that was not God's wrath, but they suffered because of their faith. The purpose of God's coming wrath will be to punish those who have rejected His Son and continue to live according to the sinful nature. And you are proud to go through that time period as though you were honoring God. Anyone who finds themselves in the time period is because they were not faithful and watching from Christ when He comes to gather His church.

The Lord is not going to put His bride/church through His wrath first and then gather her! He's coming back to fulfill His promise to come and take us back to the Father's house and that before His wrath begins.

When giving a detailed account of the Lord catching up the church, Paul said to comfort one another with those words. If the church were to go through God's wrath first, there would be nothing to be comforted about.

If you understood that the majority of the earths population is going to be decimated during that last seven years, you would not be so eager to go through it.

I thank my God that He has promised to come and get believers prior to His wrath and that because He already suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer, but you and others can't wrap your head around that.

Yes, we will have trials and tribulations just as Jesus said. But we will not be here for God's wrath, which is completely different.

Take your finger put it up to your forehead and think. WHAT IS IN YOUR FOREHEAD??? THINK. THATS RIGHT YOUR BRAIN. AND WHAT DOES A BRAIN NEED FROM GOD??? KNOWLEDGE. AND WISDOM.
THE SEALS ARE THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, SO YOU WONT BE FOOLED BY THE DECEPTION THAT IS COMING.

The angels aren't even handed the trumps until after all are sealed.
The trumps are the sounding of the action about to take place. THE VIALS ARE WIDE MOUTHED AND ARE POURED OUT, ain't gonna take but a short time. And when does that take place????

The time has been shorted to 5 months. The hour of temptation.

The beasts system has been setting itself up for the last 6000 yrs. The four hidden dynasties. The one world order. The kenites.

Who is the wrath of God poured out on? The wicked. Not Gods elect. Not the 144,000. You know they will be here, right?

You worried about serpents stings??? We have been given power over them.

We are told to "armor" up. Thats for war, a Spiritual war, not a wedding of any kind. Not to mention that there is a war going on in heaven until Satan is kicked out and what follows that???? SILENCE IN HEAVEN for 1/2 hour. Does that sound like a wedding to you???

We are told to withstand the fiery darts. We are told to stand. We are told to overcome. We are told there is "NO GATHERING" until the man of sin is revealed.

The TOPIC of Paul in 1 thess, was about "where the dead were and when they were coming back". Sure he told them how it would happen. HE DIDN'T SAY WHEN, BUT IN THE SECOND LETTER, AND THE ONLY REASON FOR A SECOND LETTER WAS TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, THERE WOULD BE NO GATHERING UNTIL AFTER SATAN WAS REVEALED.

I UNDERstand you don't "like" the way God will protect us through the tribulation or the Wrath that will fall upon the wicked, but that doesn't give you permission to make up your own way out of it especially in the face of all the doctrine that goes against such a thing and the lack of doctrine for and the only few verses that might be construed to back it up. It is a tower of Babel.

The Lord is testing His bride to be to see if she is worthy. He is not asking her to do anything He Himself has not done. If she can't be proven faithful, what good is she??

You know Christ never mentioned it, not once. Doesn't that alone give you pause?? And what did He say?? I have foretold you all things. You know Paul spoke against it in no uncertain terms. You take all those verses you ascribe to "PRE" AND put them post with the second coming of Christ and you will find they just all slip in there super nice and pretty. No a hiccup to be had. Why is that?? Its like that is where they have belonged all the time.

Fear not. Scripture for thought.

1 Kings 18:18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim.

1 Kings 18:19 Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table.

1 Kings 18:20 So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel.

1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

1 Kings 18:22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.

1 Kings 18:23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:

1 Kings 18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.

1 Kings 18:25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.

1 Kings 18:26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.

1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

1 Kings 18:28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.

1 Kings 18:29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

1 Kings 18:30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.

1 Kings 18:31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

1 Kings 18:32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.

1 Kings 18:33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.

1 Kings 18:34 And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.

1 Kings 18:35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.

1 Kings 18:36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.

1 Kings 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

1 Kings 18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

1 Kings 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

1 Kings 18:41 And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain.

At least you shorten the time, which is way ahead of most of what I have seen. Seems if people run across a verse that doesn't fit or they don't like, they just change it or discard is or flat out don't see it and move on to what they do. Jesus is coming back to the earth never to "ascend" again. At least not that it is written anywhere. Even New Jerusalem, will be here. The host of heaven is coming here and heaven will roll up like a scroll too

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

Deuteronomy 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them

Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Deuteronomy 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.


Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Deuteronomy 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Thats why they all got killed.
That's how we know "the bride" will be proved.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you for him hath God the Father sealed.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(those with the seal "are kept from")


2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake for when I am weak, then am I strong.

We are ye, before, during, and after

Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ and the time draweth near go ye not therefore after them.

Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified for these things must first come to pass but the end is not by and by.

Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Luke 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony

Luke 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains and let them which are in the midst of it depart out and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. (Not Gods people)

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity the sea and the waves roaring

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable Behold the fig tree, and all the trees

Luke 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand

Hi Lafftur,

First of all, the coming wrath of God which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be unprecedented plagues of wrath directly from God, also known as "the day of the Lord." Regarding this time period, Jesus said it will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again.

To give you an example, there are only two places where a percentage is given of the fatalities during that time, which is the first four seals and the 6th trumpet which is a fourth and a third, respectively. This would be well over half the worlds population and that within the first 3 1/2 years. And that is not including trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor the fatalities resulting from the seven bowl judgments.

Since it is going to come upon the whole entire world, unlike Noah and Lot, there will be no ark to escape on and no nearby city to run to. To understand this better, I would suggest doing a detailed study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, because by the time the 7th bowl has been poured out which completes God's wrath, the majority of the earths population will have been decimated. This is supported by when Jesus said, "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive.

I don't believe that most people, including professing Christians, understand the horror that is to come upon this earth.



The prophecy of the seven years comes from Daniel 9:24-27, where seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem.

* From the issuing of the decree to restore Jerusalem, there will be seven 'sevens' (49 years)

* After 62 sevens (434 years) the Messiah would be cut off

The first 69 sevens or 483 years have been fulfilled with the Messiah being cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th seven year period. At that time, the Lord put a pause on the last seven year period and began to build His church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will appear according to His promise in John 14:1-3 and I Thess.4:13-17 and will gather believers and take them back to the Father's house to those places He went to prepare for us. Once the church has been gathered, the Lord will pick up right where He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years, leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish is kingdom.

All that said, that last seven years is God's prophecy and His time of tribulation and everything that takes place within that seven years is apart of God's time of tribulation, including the events of the beast and the false prophet during that last 3 1/2 years. In support of this, we have the following:

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

Notice that in scripture above, God is the One who puts it into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to destroy the woman, that great city Babylon the great. So God will have evil forces destroying evil forces. And then notice the very last words "until GOD's words are fulfilled," meaning that this is God's time of wrath, not Satan's. It's all apart of the day of the Lord.

DeighAnn, why do you quote the scriptures above, but ignore others? Not only do you ignore others, but you continue to misapply them, not discerning the who is being spoken of in the scriptures nor the time period.

All that you have quoted above takes place during the time of God's wrath, the day of the Lord. We has believers in Christ are not in darkness so that this day should take us by surprise. For we are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. Include those scriptures regarding believers whenever you are talking about the tribulation period. You and others have a habit of leaving out that information out whenever your talk about God's wrath. The entire period will be God's wrath, the day of the Lord. Satan will become angry within that time period, but is in the midst of God's wrath.

* Gathering of the church

* God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments throughout the entire seven years

* The beasts reign during the last 3 1/2 years (which takes place within the time of God's wrath)

* The Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom

Please stop ignoring and misapplying scripture!

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word be instant in season, out of season,0 reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Psalm 37:37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright for the end of that man is peace.
Psalm 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalm 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD he is their strength in the time of trouble.
Psalm 37:40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.


I AM NOT IGNORING, NEITHER AM I THE ONE MISAPPLYING SCRIPTURE AND WILL NOT STOP. I DO FIND IT RUDE FOR YOU TO ASK ME TO BECAUSE IT ADVERSLY EFFECTS THE "THEORY"

I THINK IF YOU FEEL I KEEP DOING SOMETHING YOU THINK IS WRONG THAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE EITHER I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU OR YOU NEED TO SCRUTINIZE YOUR TEACHING APPROACH, BECAUSE IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION, IT IS NON PRODUCTIVE.

SO WHILE JESUS IS SAYING "YE SHALL, YE SHALL SEE, YE SHALL ANSWER" THAT WE WILL BE HERE,
IN YOUR VERSION, WE AREN'T, SO WHAT IS IT YOU THINK HE IS REALLY SAYING??

JESUS NEVER ONCE MENTIONS GATHERING THE CHURCH
YOU SAY HE DOES GATHER THE CHURCH, but can give no scripture, as in not a single verse that says It.
WHO DO YOU THINK I BELIEVE?

PAUL SAYS THERE WILL BE NO GATHERING UNTIL AFTER SATAN IS REVEALED STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT
YOU SAY THERE WILL BE
WHO DO YOU THINK I BELIEVE?

THE WORD SAYS "WE WILL BE KEPT FROM, NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH" BUT DOES NOT TELL US SPECIFICALLY HOW (FOR THE SAKE OF THIS ARGUMENT THOUGH WE DO KNOW HOW)
YOU SAY THE ONLY WAY IS TO BE RAPTURED OUT.
I BELIEVE GOD PROTECTS US NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE. THAT ALL IT TAKES IS FAITH

You can keep asking or telling me but I wont ever stop the truth. The doctrine you promote is not of Christ. If it was, Christ would have mentioned it ONE TIME. The fact that Jesus NEVER MENTIONS IT leads me to believe it doesn't happen. The fact that there is a day of vengeance coming and no other day spoken of Jesus coming back leads me to believe that is doesn't happen, The fact that Jesus tells us we will be here and what we will be doing leads me to believe, we will be here.

I do completely understand you do not understand the scripture I put forth because it all goes against what you promote. I am just going to put out scripture as long as I see "peoples explanations" put forth as scripture. I am sure it does not please you, but I am not out to please you. Put it in big old letters, write what you must, but NONE OF THAT CHANGES THE FACTS THAT

JESUS IS RETURNING AS LORD OF LORD AND KING OF KINGS FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE AND ANY "JESUS' YOU THINK YOU SEE BEFORE THAT DAY IS NOT THE TRUE CHRIST.

IF SATAN HASN'T BEEN REVEALED STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT,
AND THE TWO WITNESSES HAVEN'T BEEN LYING DEAD IN THE STREET FOR 3 1/2 DAYS,

THEN JESUS HASN'T RETURNED.

IF YOU THINK HE HAS AND YOU ARE WORSHIPPING HIM, YOU HAVE TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST. PERIOD.

UNTIL THOSE 2 EVENTS LISTED ABOVE HAVE TAKEN PLACE, THERE IS NO GATHERING WITH OUR LOVED ONES WHO ARE COMING WITH CHRIST FOR THE LORDS DAY.

WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT A MARRIAGE, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT A PRE VISIT, WHAT YOU THINK "KEEP OUT OF" MEANS, WHAT YOU THINK "NOT APPOINTED" MEANS, WHO WILL BE MAD, WHAT YOU FEEL I LEAVE OUT NONE OF THAT STUFF CHANGES WHAT GOD THROUGH PAUL TELLS US . So it is that stuff you have gotten wrong .

WHAT GODS WORD SAYS AND IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY AND EMPHATICALLY AND 3 TIMES IN A ROW, THERE IS NO GATHERING BEFORE SATAN IS REVEALED.

Noah came back to earth POST TRIB
Noah was over a mile above the earth DURRING THE FLOOD.

NEITHER noah or lot left AFTER those judgements.

The analogy ,that Jesus used,was concerning WATCHING/ANTICIPATION.
Take a look at "the one taken". It is in context for us to WATCH.

JESUS comes back to earth postrib. We all agree there.
But the rapture CANNOT be postrib.

It IN NO WAY FITS.
You litterally have to change Jesus words.

Yes we agree.

The man of sin is revealed as stated.(not in power),just revealed/uncloaked then the wise virgins go with the groom while the foolish do buisness with the antichrist.

So yes, IN NO WAY have you established your theory.
Nor do ANY verses that you mis apply change the vivid depictions of Jesus.

You can not revoke Jesus words.

...and yes you will keep trying

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

There it is..the pretrib rapture with half the church left behind

The following is the meeting IN THE AIR,or rapture you say does not exist;

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Now pay close attention here to Jesus's words;

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


See that?
The one taken is the Rapture.

It is depicted with noah and those ones shatched away...depicted together and framed in WATCHIND AND WAITING.