Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up
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Yeah I wonder about that too in conjunction with whether the cross - or an image of it - can also likewise become an idol? Clearly some people think of little cross trinkets as a sort of magical talisman - but can the idolatry go even deeper?
Not calling for an iconoclasm here but it's worth thinking about. Because, yeah, people did make an idol out of that brazen serpent, and they did the same with relics of wood which were thought to be pieces of Christ's cross
Not calling for an iconoclasm here but it's worth thinking about. Because, yeah, people did make an idol out of that brazen serpent, and they did the same with relics of wood which were thought to be pieces of Christ's cross
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Yes the type is a cursed thing...a serpent...
Jesus became a curse for us.(in or place)
The sin of the world was upon him.
But the type is 2 fold.
They were healed physically. They were "saved" physically because they were heald physically.
In Jesus earthly walk He did hundreds/thousands of healings.
The new covenant is as centered on healing as it is spiritual salvation.
Jesus said "which is easier,to say to a man your sins are forgiven,or to heal"?
Then he healed him.
He ascribed both healing and salvation in one motion/thought.
The same with the brass serpent.
It is meant to portray healing as part of our covenant.
Salvation/devine health
Jesus became a curse for us.(in or place)
The sin of the world was upon him.
But the type is 2 fold.
They were healed physically. They were "saved" physically because they were heald physically.
In Jesus earthly walk He did hundreds/thousands of healings.
The new covenant is as centered on healing as it is spiritual salvation.
Jesus said "which is easier,to say to a man your sins are forgiven,or to heal"?
Then he healed him.
He ascribed both healing and salvation in one motion/thought.
The same with the brass serpent.
It is meant to portray healing as part of our covenant.
Salvation/devine health
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Good point I dont know if trinkets are completely idolatry but some seem to take it to another level.
I say if a person is it to get one they need one from bahdos pretty affordable this one is on sale a easy 12,600 dollars a drop from 15, 750 dollars that’s a deal, 😂
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I say if a person is it to get one they need one from bahdos pretty affordable this one is on sale a easy 12,600 dollars a drop from 15, 750 dollars that’s a deal, 😂
https://www.bahdos.com/men-s-large-...OSUx1fUK1ZdONadBo0MMwtQ1x_aeIHlwaAs5cEALw_wcB
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The "pole was a Type of the Cross, while the "serpent" was a type of Satan and sin. Jesus didn't go to the Cross because of love, grace, and goodness; He went because of sin. It was sin that had to be addressed, sin which had to be paid for, sin which had to be atoned. That's the reason for the "serpent."
For the people who had been bitten by the serpents, all they had to do was to look at the serpent on the pole, and when they looked, they lived! It is the same with Calvary.
When a person places his Faith in Christ and the Cross, he passes from Spiritual Death to Spiritual Life.
LOOK AT THE CROSS AND LIVE!
JSM
For the people who had been bitten by the serpents, all they had to do was to look at the serpent on the pole, and when they looked, they lived! It is the same with Calvary.
When a person places his Faith in Christ and the Cross, he passes from Spiritual Death to Spiritual Life.
LOOK AT THE CROSS AND LIVE!
JSM
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If Moses had failed to construct the brazen serpent as instructed, untold numbers would have died. If he had placed something on the pole other than a brazen serpent, still, untold numbers would have died, If he had failed to hold it up and take it among the people, still, untold numbers would have died.
That's the reason we preach the Cross, and nothing but the Cross (1 Cor. 1:23).
That's the reason we preach the Cross, and nothing but the Cross (1 Cor. 1:23).
You among others continue to quote only the Letter, and don't have the foggiest idea, meaning, nor understanding of the Spiritual. This is called a form of godliness. Why? Because your faith is misplaced! Therefore truth will not be understood.
When the hedge comes down the serpent will strike! Eccl. 10:8
You're the one - that is, Jimmy Swaggart is the one - thinking serpent = Satan just because he sees the letters making up the word serpent. Not thinking about what is being represented - Satan lifted up on a cross?? Come on man. That's antichrist.
Satan in Numbers 21 is represented by the people grumbling, accusing God of evil, saying He brought them out only to kill them and their animals and children. It is the same lie as told in the garden.
But God sent the serpents to judge them.
Ask Jimmy Swaggart if God sends Satan to judge His people?
Satan in Numbers 21 is represented by the people grumbling, accusing God of evil, saying He brought them out only to kill them and their animals and children. It is the same lie as told in the garden.
But God sent the serpents to judge them.
Ask Jimmy Swaggart if God sends Satan to judge His people?
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IMO Nicodemus is often given less credit than he deserves. While it's true that at the time of John 3 he probably didn't intuit that Christ intended to be crucified, I rather think that by John 19 he had figured a lot out. This wasn't an idiot; he probably knew and understood the scripture better than anyone else in the sanhedrin - Jesus calls him "the" teacher of Israel, and who else among them came to Him to be privately tutored? Christ unlocked deep mysteries for him in John 3. I doubt that was wasted on Nicodemus - still just my opinion - but it wasn't for no reason that he was there ready with burial spices when our Lord's body was taken down from the cross to be ((temporarily)) laid in the tomb.
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The discourse was used to represent that which was temporally holy. When the work, the twinkling of the eye it was done its lost its effect. Those who walk by sight used it as a idol image in a hope it was still working like the fountain of youth .
But like Mount Sinai it was set aside as holy used as a one time event . It was ground up and fed to those who walk by sight. It came our as draught and was covered up with dust. Outdoor plumbing.
If what the eyes see defile a person then it sure cannot create anew. Its simply good for. . . shockingly nothing .. .It must be covered up.
Mark 7:18-20 King James Version (KJV) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
But like Mount Sinai it was set aside as holy used as a one time event . It was ground up and fed to those who walk by sight. It came our as draught and was covered up with dust. Outdoor plumbing.
If what the eyes see defile a person then it sure cannot create anew. Its simply good for. . . shockingly nothing .. .It must be covered up.
Mark 7:18-20 King James Version (KJV) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
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