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DeighAnn

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gb9 said:
you still did not address- Josiah read the BOOK ( singular ) of the Law to the people.
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Same as you not addressing mine.
gb9 said:
and, nine of the ten were repeated in the N.T., with the Sabbath being not ever commanded for gentiles.
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Yes, but God did way back in Genesis, didn't he? Aren't you a Christian? When you say throw out the law AND the law being one, do you mean the ENTIRE FIRST 5 BOOKS of the Bible gotta go??

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you HIS covenant, which HE commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and HE wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the LORD commanded ME at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.
 
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DeighAnn

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gb9 said:
you STILL did not answer the question - book ( singular ) of the Law.

and, nine of the ten were repeated in the N.T., with the Sabbath being not ever commanded for gentiles.
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Now we have the Old Covenant in the same book as the New Covenant. (singular) Word of God. Does that mean we are still "under the Law" to you? Or maybe we should read "the Words written within" and rightly divide them as we are told to do. Because if we don't we will be applying to the House of Judah things written to the House of Israel, and things written for the priests to the gentiles, and things written about the synagogue of Satan to Christians won't we?
 
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DeighAnn

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gb9 said:
and, nine of the ten were repeated in the N.T., with the Sabbath being not ever commanded for gentiles.
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Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day and stood up for to read.




Luke 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.



Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.



John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day and stood up for to read.




Luke 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.



Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.



John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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This is absurd to say the least.

You quote Jesus and people keeping the sabbath, WHILST UNDER THE LAW and then quote "He that saith he adideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." and you quote that COMPLETELY out of context, the context is to WALK IN LOVE.

While we are at it lets apply your false-teaching to "we ought to walk as He walked". So we should BE PERFECT in keeping the law, Jesus was and we should walk as He did, nobody should ever get married, everyone should get circumcised and the list goes on. Jesus was BORN and LIVED under the law........ WE ARE NOT.

Second failure is quoting Hebrews 4:9 OUT OF CONTEXT as per usual, the REST there has nothing to do with not working on saturday.... Read just three verses ahead and you notice this is talking about salvation entering that rest.... CEASING from your labour. This is the letter to the HEBREWS so it only makes sense.

You are STRETCHING trying to scrape together verses because there are NONE in the New Testament that teach its for the Church to keep, UNFORTUNATE for the sabbatarians, best stick with some out of context quote from Isaiah to prove their case right?

I forbid you from ever teaching believers should be back under the law of keeping the sabbath. The sabbath was a PICTURE, TYPE and SHADOW of the rest provided by Jesus, as the entire OT I believe is types and shadows of things to come and the FULLNESS thereof is Christ. Some people have to WORK on saturdays too, TOO BAD. People like emergency personnel
 
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DeighAnn said:
Now we have the Old Covenant in the same book as the New Covenant. (singular) Word of God. Does that mean we are still "under the Law" to you? Or maybe we should read "the Words written within" and rightly divide them as we are told to do. Because if we don't we will be applying to the House of Judah things written to the House of Israel, and things written for the priests to the gentiles, and things written about the synagogue of Satan to Christians won't we?
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ah, so you are looking at the " the Words written within".

that is why you are blind to simple truth.
 
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Grandpa said:
Looks like he's got 451 lbs on the bar. And he looks so young...
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Yes he is in the lighter weight class, he does not think he is young lol, ...but he is very strong.

Really my heart stops :eek: when he lifts the bar over his head.

Thanks for sharing the You Tube clip.. you have worked very hard! Kudos
 
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DeighAnn

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Have I answered your questions now?
gb9 said:
ah, so you are looking at the " the Words written within".

that is why you are blind to simple truth.
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This is what I am doing. What are you doing?
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
 
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DeighAnn

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Hevosmies said:
This is absurd to say the least.

You quote Jesus and people keeping the sabbath, WHILST UNDER THE LAW and then quote "He that saith he adideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." and you quote that COMPLETELY out of context, the context is to WALK IN LOVE.

While we are at it lets apply your false-teaching to "we ought to walk as He walked". So we should BE PERFECT in keeping the law, Jesus was and we should walk as He did, nobody should ever get married, everyone should get circumcised and the list goes on. Jesus was BORN and LIVED under the law........ WE ARE NOT.

Second failure is quoting Hebrews 4:9 OUT OF CONTEXT as per usual, the REST there has nothing to do with not working on saturday.... Read just three verses ahead and you notice this is talking about salvation entering that rest.... CEASING from your labour. This is the letter to the HEBREWS so it only makes sense.

You are STRETCHING trying to scrape together verses because there are NONE in the New Testament that teach its for the Church to keep, UNFORTUNATE for the sabbatarians, best stick with some out of context quote from Isaiah to prove their case right?

I forbid you from ever teaching believers should be back under the law of keeping the sabbath. The sabbath was a PICTURE, TYPE and SHADOW of the rest provided by Jesus, as the entire OT I believe is types and shadows of things to come and the FULLNESS thereof is Christ. Some people have to WORK on saturdays too, TOO BAD. People like emergency personnel
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You are correct, it does not stand alone. But when you add it with
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I don't care if it was in the "commandments or not" GOD BLESSED THE 7THE DAY AND SANCTIFIED IT

GODS WORD IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

But for you to take it out of the entire context in which I wrote it, so you can make your point of me being wrong not matter what it does to Gods word, is on you.


Do you keep the commandments? I was asking for an answer that wasn't "over my head". A simple yes or no.
 
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Hevosmies said:
While we are at it lets apply your false-teaching to "we ought to walk as He walked". So we should BE PERFECT in keeping the law, Jesus was and we should walk as He did, nobody should ever get married, everyone should get circumcised and the list goes on. Jesus was BORN and LIVED under the law........ WE ARE NOT.
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Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 
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DeighAnn

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Hevosmies said:
Second failure is quoting Hebrews 4:9 OUT OF CONTEXT as per usual, the REST there has nothing to do with not working on saturday.
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Just adding in "on Saturday" to was that in my post?? NO but here it is in yours, making it seem so. How deceptive of you.
 
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DeighAnn

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Hevosmies said:
I forbid you from ever teaching believers should be back under the law of keeping the sabbath. The sabbath was a PICTURE, TYPE and SHADOW of the rest provided by Jesus, as the entire OT I believe is types and shadows of things to come and the FULLNESS thereof is Christ. Some people have to WORK on saturdays too, TOO BAD. People like emergency personnel
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YOU forbid?? You forbid me?? That will never happen. Ever. Who is it you believe yourself to be? Still can't make a commitment on keeping the commandments or not?? How weird
 
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DeighAnn

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Can anyone here say "I keep Gods Commandments?"

Anyone
"washing their robes?" Anyone?
 
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DeighAnn said:
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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You cheat yourself DeighAnn:(

The foundation of my relationship with God is faith, and He covers me with His grace.

Grace has far superseded the Law.
 
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DeighAnn

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UnderGrace said:
You cheat yourself DeighAnn:(

The foundation of my relationship with God is faith, and He covers me with His grace.

Grace has far superseded the Law.
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The Word of God. He comes in the volume of the Book. Yes, look at all He has done for you. I cheat myself? How does that faith come to you? How many times did Jesus say "It is written or Have ye not heard?" How are you building on that "foundation?"

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


Ezekiel 13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
Ezekiel 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
 
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DeighAnn

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Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you they make you vain they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Jeremiah 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked HIS WORD, and heard it?
 
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DeighAnn said:
But I think I like the interlinear even better.
Blessed {are} those washing the robes of them that will be the right of them to the tree of life and by the gates they shall enter into the city.

No, I was not aware of that. Thank you.

I love stuff like this . Sorry its taken me so long to get back but it was worth the long ponder.
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All glory and honor to God, in Christ Jesus.
DeighAnn said:
Anyway,
Do you follow the NT commandments?
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Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 3:7-9
But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Galatians 2:19-21
For through the Law I died to the Law that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And that which I now live in the flesh, I live through faith from the Son of God, the One having loved me and having given up Himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness is through the Law, then Christ died for naught.”d

As God leads me by His Spirit;
I live by faith.

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.
 
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2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

SO SAD, Y'ALL i GOTTA GO
 
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