Is unconditional election biblical?

I guess you have never read Romans 7:14-25.

And if you have time, why not consider former Calvinist sharing why they left Calvinism.

They are pros at doing this VERY thing!
Then arguments ensue and poor them they are the victims!
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And if you have time, why not consider former Calvinist sharing why they left Calvinism.

You guys are the ones treating the lost like victims, and not the rebellious ppl they really are. 🙄

It's so strange to me to see my post dissected by someone who intersperses their projections onto it so as to the accuse me of saying what they wrote, imagined, was worthy of their ridicule.

In formal debate there's a term for that I'm sure.

And you're able to take comfort in its wisdom and understand its message? When you are not a member of the Reformed Theology church or a Calvinist?

Unfortunately, those two parties are led to believe first and foremost that they are Totally Depraved and thus are unable to do so.
Unless and until God anoints them with his Irresistible Grace.

But this is the thing about that. How would someone know they have that? What if they think they do becasue they think they understand what the scriptures are saying now? But they're wrong.

One of the other problems with TULIP is it is self fulfilling, self affirming, for the believer in it.

Someone can be the worst person ever and then they have this epiphany that they need Christ. They go to church, they read the Bible, they pray, they get baptized, they are saved!
They must be the elect.

But when TULIP and the Canon of Dort, aka the Five Articles Against the Remonstrants , particularly, arrived at to refute Arminius and Arminianism, provide a blueprint as to what it means to be one of the Elect, we read it is a graduation effect. Moving through life someone may think they are the Elect due to their growing in their faith, but yet, not until they are dead are they able to know for sure.

Canon of Dort Article 18 To those who murmur at the free grace of election and just severity of reprobation, we answer with the apostle: “Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?” (Rom. 9:20), and quote the language of our Savior: “Is it not lawful for Me to do what I will with Mine own?” (Matt. 20:15). And therefore with holy adoration of these

mysteries, we exclaim in the words of the apostle: “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen” (Rom. 11:33–36)


The true doctrine concerning election and rejection having been explained, the Synod rejects the errors of those who teach:

Rejection 1 That the will of God to save those who would believe and would persevere in faith and in the obedience of faith, is the whole and entire decree of election unto salvation, and that nothing else concerning this decree has been revealed in God's Word. For these deceive the simple and plainly contradict the Scriptures which declare that God will not only save those who will believe, but that He has also from eternity chosen certain particular persons to whom above others He in time will grant both faith in Christ and perseverance, as it is written: “I have manifested Thy Name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world” (John 17:6). “And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). And: “According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love” (Eph. 1:4).


Rejection 2That there are various kinds of election of God unto eternal life: the one general and indefinite, the other particular and definite; and that the latter in turn is either incomplete, revocable, nondecisive and conditional, or complete, irrevocable, decisive and absolute. Likewise: that there is one election unto faith and another unto salvation, so that election can be unto justifying faith without being a decisive election unto salvation. For this is a fancy of men’s minds, invented regardless of the Scriptures, whereby the doctrine of election is corrupted, and this golden chain of our salvation is broken: “Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified” (Rom. 8:30).


Rejection 3That the good pleasure and purpose of God, of which Scripture makes mention in the doctrine of election, does not consist in this, that God chose certain persons rather than others, but in this, that He chose out of all possible conditions (among which are also th e works of the law), or out of the whole order of things, the act of faith which from its very nature is undeserving, as well as its incomplete obedience, as a condition of salvation, and that He would graciously consider this in itself as a complete obedience and count it worthy of the reward of eternal life. For by this injurious error the pleasure of God and the merits of Christ are made of none effect, and men are drawn away by useless questions from the truth of gracious justification and from the simplicity of Scripture, and this declaration of the apostle is charged as untrue: “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began” (2 Tim. 1:9).

Whole Canon of Dort

You guys are the ones treating the lost like victims, and not the rebellious ppl they really are. 🙄

Agreed. My posts are shooting down the notion Augustine of Hippo started the reformed view of predestination and election. They were clearly taught by several others a couple centuries before he was born.

Like you were never lost, rebellious, proud or self rightous? Pleeeeze!

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That’s not what I said. @IFOLLOWHIM played the victim card. The lost are not victims, but rebellious, God-haters, self-righteous. I was even in that until God called me out of it by His effectual calling.

i like leighton flowers

You guys are the ones treating the lost like victims, and not the rebellious ppl they really are. 🙄

He also said that the Spirit wasn’t necessary when the gospel was presented to a lost person. He’s a heretic. He also compared us being saved to being choice meat. There was something in the choice meat that made it inherently better, and that attracts us to it. He then projected that analogy onto election, how God chooses to save ppl. That’s not election at all.

He’s a heretic who said knowing the Christ was a personal achievement.

Well, you just shot own the image you wish to portray as one who is Calvinist. (Signature lines included). That's very good of you to step out and show the truth.

The lost are victims under TULIP.

They are made totally depraved by God. They are therefore incapable of being rebellious because rebellious indicates a trait in one who possess the free will to be in conformity and chooses instead to rebel.

This is not the case in Calvinism. All people are made totally depraved, unless or until God works on His pre-selected elect so as to impart to them His Irresistible Grace.

Total Depravity = All men have inherited the sin of Adam through their parents and are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because of their own depraved, sinful nature which extends to every part of their personality.

Keeping in mind that TULIP was also a response and refutation to Arminius and the Arminian, "LILAC"
L - Limited Depravity
I - I Choose Christ
L - Limitless Atonement
A - Arrestible Grace
C - Carnal Security


For readers consideration: (Title pasted as appears at link)
DOCTRINE OF ELECTION, PREDESTINATION AND FOREORDINATIONREFUTED ByProf WA Liebenberg

I would submit that the meaning of Elect, per the Calvinist doctrine and the Reformed that ascribe to the TULIP formula is precisely what could be construed as a stretch.
To think that the Creator of all things premeditated whom He would save from what would have to be His premeditation of the fall, and all this prior to creating anything at all, and so as to also, and this is key, predetermine those whom He did not predetermine worthy of His Election would perish as planned by that Creator of all things, is Elitist doctrine.

Not only does it form in its theology an immoral sadistic creator that premeditates a fall after predetermining whom he'd save from it, but it also teaches that those whom that deity did not plan to save through his election would die damned due to his having created the construct that allowed first, through premeditation, the fall of humankind.

We're told our thoughts are not as God's thoughts and God's thoughts are not like unto our own. Calvinism, RT that ascribe to TULIP, is clearly man's thoughts. I pre=planned whom I'd save and then I pre-arranged through my own creation of it, that which humans would need to be saved from. All the while having also pre-determined the human creation that needed saving would be totally incapable of entering my grace or having faith in me so as to be saved from the fate I pre-planned, pre-arranged, for the non-elect, unless or until I made them to enter my grace, have faith, so as to be the elect I pre-arranged by name!


In a world where humans in the beginning were created in the image and likeness of God, that construct encapsulated by TULIP, tells us humans at birth do not have a chance of being good. Unless they are the one's TULIP's god pre-arranged to be put into god's grace by god, and then made to have faith in god by god. Because first and foremost that god made everyone, even the Elect who were not yet changed by god's will as pertains to obtaining grace, and faith, would be totally depraved. In a world where that same god pre-arranged sin to enter in.

That god is something we need to save ourselves from!

TULIP
Total Depravity = All men have inherited the sin of Adam through their parents and are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because of their own depraved, sinful nature which extends to every part of their personality.
Unconditional Election = God chose from eternity to save certain people, not based upon any foreseen virtue, faith, or anticipated acceptance of the Gospel. God chose to extend mercy to those He has specifically chosen and to withhold mercy from those not chosen. Those chosen receive salvation through Christ alone. Those not chosen receive wrath and damnation.
Limited Atonement = Christ died only for those whom God specifically pre-decided to save—the elect—but not for any others.
Irresistible Grace = God’s saving grace is applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect), overcoming their resistance to the call of the Gospel, bringing them to a saving faith. This means that when God sovereignly purposes to save someone, that individual certainly will be saved (even against his will if necessary). This purposeful influence of God’s Holy Spirit, Who creates faith within the individual, cannot be resisted.
Perseverance of the Saints = Since God is sovereign and His will cannot be frustrated by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion with Himself will continue in faith until the end. They cannot be eternally lost.

Yeah, you have done that very thing also, and refused to acknowledge it even
when more than one person pointed out your stubbornly repeated error