Not By Works

You won't get into heaven without faith in Jesus.

Salvation is our starting point in this race,we must finish the course,but it is nothing we can "earn"!

Actually NO,

Salvation is the end point of salvation........ and after salvation we have discipleship, fellowship and our walk as saved adopted sons and daughters.

Actually NO!
It is ONLY finished IF we endure to the end,through fellowship,discipleship, walk,ect.ect!

shame on you! It is NOT His will that ANY should perish!

THEN GIVE HIM THE GLORY and NOT YOURSELF.

You come in here puffed up with Pride, Because YOU persevere, patting yourself on the back.

Your assessment of the meaning of that word IS WRONG:

CHRISTIANS will produce different amounts of good works, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, which is a DONE DEAL by JESUS HIMSELF.

Matthew 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Still others fell on good ground and produced a crop: some 100, some 60, and some 30 times ⌊what was sown⌋.
9 Anyone who has ears should listen!”


You have a lot to learn, Grasshopper.

And you have never rebelled?

Have you never rebelled against the commands of Jesus?

It isn't my fault if they don't persevere until the end; I warned them.

Therefore not saved before the begining of time..

As you correctly say, never really born again.

Therefore salvation has not been lost because they never had it, if they never had it the reason is because they have not placed their faith in Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
The sins that separates us from God.
Why the temple curtain was torn in two.

As a result of faith and having been saved from the beginning of time we will persevere. It's faith that we have chosen and as a result we will persevere.

So if God has chosen us before the begining of time it is him who keeps us and not ourselves.

So finally can we lose our salvation our born again status?

If so then your two posts above contradict.

You are either born again or not. Because as you say "Saved before the begining of time"

You must be reading the scripture with may pages missing then too bad for you!

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
“Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ” (Galatians 4:3–7).

Salvation is a gift and it cannot be earned or worked for in any way, because all glory belongs to God.

You have nothing, not one thing to add to the gift.

yes but IT IS your fault if you're gleeful they don't listen!

Actually NO!
It is ONLY finished IF we endure to the end,through fellowship,discipleship, walk,ect.ect!

Wrong. Grace is undeserved. When you work for something you’ve earned it. You cannot earn salvation. With that I am washing my hands of you and your works nonsense.

well then no one is really saved. we just have to wait and see in your view.
the bible teaches we can know that we have eternal life

well then no one is really saved. we just have to wait and see in your view.
the bible teaches we can know that we have eternal life

those are NOT my words but Jesus's Mt. 24:13

Nope,all my pages are intact in my KJV. I just rightly divide the word of God under the leadership of the Holy Spirit and I DON'T believe I OSAS!

lol. didnt even respond to what i said.

you and your boyfriend(honestly i believe you are same person) have quoted those verses many times already. i am saying that matthew 24:13 is talking about the tribulation period on earth. look at the context.

Boyfriend??