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I have shown you TWICE the words that you inserted into the description of "daysman". Twice you have denied adding them.
Your opinion defines nothing. Either the words are in Scripture, or not. They are not.
That makes no sense at all.
I have already shown the verse does not contain those words. That is all I need.
NO HE DID NOT. Your stubbornness is unbelievable.
My patience with you is wearing thin, and I'm wondering whether it is better to ignore you, report you for heresy, or simply tell you exactly what I think. The trouble is that I don't think you'll learn anything no matter what I do.
Your opinion defines nothing. Either the words are in Scripture, or not. They are not.
That makes no sense at all.
I have already shown the verse does not contain those words. That is all I need.
NO HE DID NOT. Your stubbornness is unbelievable.
My patience with you is wearing thin, and I'm wondering whether it is better to ignore you, report you for heresy, or simply tell you exactly what I think. The trouble is that I don't think you'll learn anything no matter what I do.
garee, you completely misinterpret the verse.
The word "understanding" is the Greek word nous which is the mind; the intellective faculty, the understanding.
Phil 4:6 tells us Be anxious for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
As a result of not being anxious and bringing everything to God, then vs 7 ... The peace of God, which is beyond our ability to comprehend, shall guard our hearts through Christ Jesus.
The verse is not telling us that God gives us understanding. The verse is telling us that God gives us His peace which surpasses our ability to comprehend as we cast our cares on Him. We do not understand how we can have this incredible peace of God in our hearts even as we are in the midst of the strife brought on as we live in this world. How God works this peace in our hearts is beyond our ability to comprehend. All we can do is live in light of having peace in our hearts even when there is turmoil in our lives.
2 Cor 4:7 has nothing to do with the peace of God which guards our hearts as we bring everything to God in prayer.
2 Cor 4:6 tells us that God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ ... this is the treasure we hold in these earthen vessels (our bodies).
Try understanding God's Word in context, without jumping from a verse in Philippians to a verse in Corinthians, and then tell us both verses speak of the same thing. They do not.
Philippians 4 tells us of the peace (which surpasses our ability to comprehend) we have when we cast our cares to God and continuously bring everything to God in prayer.
2 Corinthians 4 tells us of the light God has shined in our hearts. This light is to shine in our hearts so that others may see the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ and this light is a treasure which is held in the earthen vessel of our body so that all may understand that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us.
If you want to go to another section of Scripture and compare it with Phil 4:7, how about going to John 14:27: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
You are the only one who continues to focus on popes.
If you believe you can approach the throne of God without the Lord Jesus Christ, you are mistaken. The Lord Jesus Christ is in the presence of the Father and He brings us to God. He envelops us in His righteousness and we approach the Father in Him.
The word "understanding" is the Greek word nous which is the mind; the intellective faculty, the understanding.
Phil 4:6 tells us Be anxious for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
As a result of not being anxious and bringing everything to God, then vs 7 ... The peace of God, which is beyond our ability to comprehend, shall guard our hearts through Christ Jesus.
The verse is not telling us that God gives us understanding. The verse is telling us that God gives us His peace which surpasses our ability to comprehend as we cast our cares on Him. We do not understand how we can have this incredible peace of God in our hearts even as we are in the midst of the strife brought on as we live in this world. How God works this peace in our hearts is beyond our ability to comprehend. All we can do is live in light of having peace in our hearts even when there is turmoil in our lives.
2 Cor 4:7 has nothing to do with the peace of God which guards our hearts as we bring everything to God in prayer.
2 Cor 4:6 tells us that God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ ... this is the treasure we hold in these earthen vessels (our bodies).
Try understanding God's Word in context, without jumping from a verse in Philippians to a verse in Corinthians, and then tell us both verses speak of the same thing. They do not.
Philippians 4 tells us of the peace (which surpasses our ability to comprehend) we have when we cast our cares to God and continuously bring everything to God in prayer.
2 Corinthians 4 tells us of the light God has shined in our hearts. This light is to shine in our hearts so that others may see the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ and this light is a treasure which is held in the earthen vessel of our body so that all may understand that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us.
If you want to go to another section of Scripture and compare it with Phil 4:7, how about going to John 14:27: Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
You are the only one who continues to focus on popes.
If you believe you can approach the throne of God without the Lord Jesus Christ, you are mistaken. The Lord Jesus Christ is in the presence of the Father and He brings us to God. He envelops us in His righteousness and we approach the Father in Him.
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That peace is the understanding he give us .Why would you try and separate the peace from the understanding as if understanding came after man seen?
Yes it is telling us God gives us his understanding that surpasses ours . If it is not God giving us his understand how we could understand it surpasses human knowledge?
The Pope is the example of a daysman who stands in the holy unseen place of faith .An abomination of desolation .
Jesus would not stand there . When accused of being good master .He gave glory to the father unseen. He said God not seen alone is good. When we think of God no image should come to mind. He is not a man as us.
No one said a person can approach the throne of God as the invisible presence of without the Lord Jesus Christ. The Son of God. God does not sit on a literal throne. He has no rear end. You must be thinking of the Son of man . He has no throne of infallibility he could sit on like the Pope. He said we learn of the father not seen .
Why try and reduce him into a man?
Isaiah 40:22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Yes it is telling us God gives us his understanding that surpasses ours . If it is not God giving us his understand how we could understand it surpasses human knowledge?
The Pope is the example of a daysman who stands in the holy unseen place of faith .An abomination of desolation .
Jesus would not stand there . When accused of being good master .He gave glory to the father unseen. He said God not seen alone is good. When we think of God no image should come to mind. He is not a man as us.
No one said a person can approach the throne of God as the invisible presence of without the Lord Jesus Christ. The Son of God. God does not sit on a literal throne. He has no rear end. You must be thinking of the Son of man . He has no throne of infallibility he could sit on like the Pope. He said we learn of the father not seen .
Why try and reduce him into a man?
Isaiah 40:22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Read the verse again, garee:
Philippians 4:
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
And the peace of God ... which passes all understanding.
It is peace we receive from God. We do not understand it ... the peace we receive in our hearts is beyond our ability to conceive or comprehend. We just receive it. In the midst of trials, we can have that peace of God in our hearts. We do not have to be anxious when we go through troublesome times.
The verse does not say we do not understand we have peace.
The verse says we have peace that exceeds the capacity of our mind to comprehend. We do not have to understand it. All we have to do is experience it. I have personally experienced the peace of God which far surpasses my understanding and I am so thankful that God grants us His peace. We do not have to be burdened down with all the cares of this life. In everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving we make our requests known to God.
The verse does not say
The verse says
Again, it is God giving us His peace.
And we know God we have His peace which exceeds our understanding because He tells us in His Word.
We do not have to understand His peace in order to experience His peace. His peace settles in and guards our hearts and minds.
The words "shall keep" in Phil 4:7 are the Greek word phroureó. It is a military term and it means to guard (keep watch) like a military sentinel; to actively display whatever defensive and offensive means are necessary to guard; to guard, protect by a military guard, either in order to prevent hostile invasion, or to keep the inhabitants of a besieged city from flight.
As we experience His peace, we remain calm as opposed to anxious. This allows us to continually look to God in prayer and have that peace which passes all understanding continuously in our lives.
Maybe to you ... but not to me.
Jesus is now in the heavenly holy of holies:
Hebrews 9:
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us
This verse has been explained to you. In telling the man that only God is good, Jesus did not imply that He Himself was not good.
Jesus reproved the man because the man believed Jesus to be a man like himself. In using a title reserved only for God, the man sought to insincerely flatter Jesus.
Jesus corrected the man.
Matthew 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
says the one who believes Jesus' flesh was corrupted.
Philippians 4:
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
And the peace of God ... which passes all understanding.
It is peace we receive from God. We do not understand it ... the peace we receive in our hearts is beyond our ability to conceive or comprehend. We just receive it. In the midst of trials, we can have that peace of God in our hearts. We do not have to be anxious when we go through troublesome times.
The verse does not say we do not understand we have peace.
The verse says we have peace that exceeds the capacity of our mind to comprehend. We do not have to understand it. All we have to do is experience it. I have personally experienced the peace of God which far surpasses my understanding and I am so thankful that God grants us His peace. We do not have to be burdened down with all the cares of this life. In everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving we make our requests known to God.
The verse does not say
"and the understanding of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus"
The verse says
"and the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus"
Again, it is God giving us His peace.
And we know God we have His peace which exceeds our understanding because He tells us in His Word.
We do not have to understand His peace in order to experience His peace. His peace settles in and guards our hearts and minds.
The words "shall keep" in Phil 4:7 are the Greek word phroureó. It is a military term and it means to guard (keep watch) like a military sentinel; to actively display whatever defensive and offensive means are necessary to guard; to guard, protect by a military guard, either in order to prevent hostile invasion, or to keep the inhabitants of a besieged city from flight.
As we experience His peace, we remain calm as opposed to anxious. This allows us to continually look to God in prayer and have that peace which passes all understanding continuously in our lives.
Maybe to you ... but not to me.
Jesus is now in the heavenly holy of holies:
Hebrews 9:
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
...
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us
This verse has been explained to you. In telling the man that only God is good, Jesus did not imply that He Himself was not good.
Jesus reproved the man because the man believed Jesus to be a man like himself. In using a title reserved only for God, the man sought to insincerely flatter Jesus.
Jesus corrected the man.
Matthew 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
says the one who believes Jesus' flesh was corrupted.
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You are incorrect. "Peace" in that verse does not mean "understanding" by any stretch. Replacing one word with another of a different meaning is not interpretation, but rather corruption.
I am amazed at your blatant corruption of the biblical text.
Jesus DID NOT say, "God not seen alone is good." Rather, He said, "God alone is good." Jesus IS God. He was not refusing or denying anything.
Once again you are adding to the word of God, and corrupting the truth with confusion and falsehood.
I am amazed at your blatant corruption of the biblical text.
Jesus DID NOT say, "God not seen alone is good." Rather, He said, "God alone is good." Jesus IS God. He was not refusing or denying anything.
Once again you are adding to the word of God, and corrupting the truth with confusion and falsehood.
God uses two attributes. . . a Father and a Son to reveal the government of God as two walking together by one Spirit, one faith as a work. He in no way would except worship in respect to being a corruptible Man but would give glory to the unseen..
Corrupted flesh was used for the one time demonstration It is not to be confused with the invisible Spirit the essence of life. God's Spirit has no beginning. Flesh was used for a one time promised demonstration. (Isaiah 53) The work is reckoned from the foundation of the world as the lamb slain. he rested from all his work on the 7th day.
There are many indicators that would lead us to believe when thinking of our invisible God not to give that glory to the corruptible things seen rather than walking by faith.
Like the idea the church began at Pentecost as if no one had the Holy Spirit before that. Christ as the Son of God simply would not share the glory with the corruptible (dead) things seen . Rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal.
In that way no man can serve two masters (impossible) walking by faith and walking by sight as if the kingdom did come by observation.
It is why Jesus said only God is good .Good represents the unseen the fingerprint of God's approval
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.John16:7
When God whose name is Jealous and will not share his glory with the things seen when did departing as the Son of Man he left clear direction
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
No fleshly God.
Corrupted flesh was used for the one time demonstration It is not to be confused with the invisible Spirit the essence of life. God's Spirit has no beginning. Flesh was used for a one time promised demonstration. (Isaiah 53) The work is reckoned from the foundation of the world as the lamb slain. he rested from all his work on the 7th day.
There are many indicators that would lead us to believe when thinking of our invisible God not to give that glory to the corruptible things seen rather than walking by faith.
Like the idea the church began at Pentecost as if no one had the Holy Spirit before that. Christ as the Son of God simply would not share the glory with the corruptible (dead) things seen . Rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal.
In that way no man can serve two masters (impossible) walking by faith and walking by sight as if the kingdom did come by observation.
It is why Jesus said only God is good .Good represents the unseen the fingerprint of God's approval
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.John16:7
When God whose name is Jealous and will not share his glory with the things seen when did departing as the Son of Man he left clear direction
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
No fleshly God.
"Father" and "Son" are not attributes. I told you that previously, but you are unteachable.
Jesus' flesh was not corrupted. I and others have told you that repeatedly, but you are not teachable.
That phrase was applied to God and money. I have told you that previously, more than once, but you are unteachable.
Jesus is God in the flesh. I have told you that before, as have others, but you are unteachable.
Jesus' flesh was not corrupted. I and others have told you that repeatedly, but you are not teachable.
That phrase was applied to God and money. I have told you that previously, more than once, but you are unteachable.
Jesus is God in the flesh. I have told you that before, as have others, but you are unteachable.
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You suggested but offer no scripture to support . Three fingers pointing back .
God is Spirit that uses attributes to explain the unseen work . You simply refuse to use the prescription given to us to rightly divide the parables . They hide the gospel meaning.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Jesus's flesh aged as in dying. When he left he left clear instructions. (2 cororhtians5:16)
He has the same kind of flesh the apostles had... no power. Power come in the holiness of Spirit the Son of God the unseen eternal .
Not after the Son of man the temporal .The Son of man like us had that power in a earthen vessel .He leaned from the father just as us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
That phrase was applied to God and money. I have told you that previously, more than once, but you are unteachable.
Yes like that parable it can be applied to money the worldly power . Just like the difference in worldly wisdom and the unseen wisdom of God hid from natural man. . . that must eulogizes the flesh as if it could profit for something. .
Are you a Catholic as one that seek after what some call sign gifts ?
I understand what you are suggesting. But one is our Master in heaven he alone not seen is good, the good teaching master . We are to call no man on earth good teacher . One is in heaven .No man can serve two masters
God is not a man as us and neither is their a fleshly mediator as a infallible interpreter (master) set between God not seen and man seen . You know where the verse is. . You simply have another way of understanding .. called walking by sight after the corruptible things seen .
Before the apostles had a better understanding as to the purpose of parable .They like you turned things upside down and made it about the corruptible as what the eyes see. Christ would purposely hide the spiritual meaning the gospel's understanding in order to teach then how to walk by faith the unseen .
As soon as the words where spoken they looked to the flesh to reckon "WHO IS THE GREATEST" take one step forward. .As if the greatest that stood in front of them had disappeared. Don't be afraid to ask the Holy Spirit that dwells in you to give you those hidden understandings.
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.
Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be "greatest".
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Three times he offered to teach them how to rightly divide the parable in order to walk after the eternal not seen And all three time they made it about the corruptible things of this world flesh and blood. . He then rebuked them and informed them that they had no idea what manner of spirit they were seeking after .
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke 9:
What kind of spirit do you think they were seeking after . The spirit of a Daysman?
God is Spirit that uses attributes to explain the unseen work . You simply refuse to use the prescription given to us to rightly divide the parables . They hide the gospel meaning.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Jesus's flesh aged as in dying. When he left he left clear instructions. (2 cororhtians5:16)
He has the same kind of flesh the apostles had... no power. Power come in the holiness of Spirit the Son of God the unseen eternal .
Not after the Son of man the temporal .The Son of man like us had that power in a earthen vessel .He leaned from the father just as us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
That phrase was applied to God and money. I have told you that previously, more than once, but you are unteachable.
Yes like that parable it can be applied to money the worldly power . Just like the difference in worldly wisdom and the unseen wisdom of God hid from natural man. . . that must eulogizes the flesh as if it could profit for something. .
Are you a Catholic as one that seek after what some call sign gifts ?
I understand what you are suggesting. But one is our Master in heaven he alone not seen is good, the good teaching master . We are to call no man on earth good teacher . One is in heaven .No man can serve two masters
God is not a man as us and neither is their a fleshly mediator as a infallible interpreter (master) set between God not seen and man seen . You know where the verse is. . You simply have another way of understanding .. called walking by sight after the corruptible things seen .
Before the apostles had a better understanding as to the purpose of parable .They like you turned things upside down and made it about the corruptible as what the eyes see. Christ would purposely hide the spiritual meaning the gospel's understanding in order to teach then how to walk by faith the unseen .
As soon as the words where spoken they looked to the flesh to reckon "WHO IS THE GREATEST" take one step forward. .As if the greatest that stood in front of them had disappeared. Don't be afraid to ask the Holy Spirit that dwells in you to give you those hidden understandings.
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.
Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be "greatest".
44-46
Three times he offered to teach them how to rightly divide the parable in order to walk after the eternal not seen And all three time they made it about the corruptible things of this world flesh and blood. . He then rebuked them and informed them that they had no idea what manner of spirit they were seeking after .
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke 9:
What kind of spirit do you think they were seeking after . The spirit of a Daysman?