Not By Works

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I'm willing to go step by step on this if you are.

What does DEAD IN SINS mean?
I say it means that we are still in our sins, under the law and do not have life - ETERNAL LIFE.
Anyone who is not saved is dead, it's just a matter of time before it is manifested.
Anyone who is saved IS NOT dead, we have entered into ETERNAL LIFE.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I'm willing to go step by step on this if you are.

What does DEAD IN SINS mean?
I say it means that we are still in our sins, under the law and do not have life - ETERNAL LIFE.
Anyone who is not saved is dead, it's just a matter of time before it is manifested.
Anyone who is saved IS NOT dead, we have entered into ETERNAL LIFE.

@Macabeus, what was the sermon about today?

John 21. Jesus and Peter. Do you love me Peter? Feed my sheep.

This is why I cannot logically engage you....You cannot see past your own nose...…..and the BOLDED PROVES YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I WRITE and or are HONEST with what I WRITE

Cool

Did you know that jesus asked Peter two times if he lived him (agape). But Peter replied that he was fond of Jesus. (Different love, Phileo). In my own study, I think that Peter was hesitant to profess agape, because of his failing in denying Jesus. So the third time Jesus uses phileo instead of agapeo

Then he tells Peter that next time he won’t deny Him, and prophecies that Peter will lay down his life for his faith one day

Jesus was healing Peters broken and discouraged heart

So someone without visible works is not saved..... completely disagree, Sorry

I heard something about Peter replying with phileo. It has been a little while since hearing a sermon on that.

Sorry......your worldly analogy will not trump ALL the verses that use faith/belief/believe as the means of salvation BASED UPON GRACE.....and your sarcasm reeks of a losing position.......!

So you believe ALL faith is the same whether it’s a bare profession of faith that produces no works or authentic faith that produces works?

Do you also believe that ALL belief is the same? In James 2:19, we read - You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! In Acts 16:31, we read - Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Are the demons saved?

Nope. Havent left yet. Drinking my coffee. Yum

I didn’t connect it with Peter hesitant to profess agape because of his past failure until today
And then what Jesus said at the end about Peter laying down His Life. I saw the text in a new and powerful way that I had not seen before

John 14:15 (NASB)
15 "If you love Me [ARE BORN AGAIN], you will keep [.WANT TO KEEP IT OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM.] My commandments.

[.NO AND'S, IF'S, OR MAYBE'S AT ALL. THAT IS WILL WANT TO OBEY HIM OUT OF LOVE, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE THEIR. NO, WE ARE NOT PERFECT, BUT THAT STRIVING TO OBEY HIM OUT OF LOVE WILL BE OBVIOUS. IT IS PART OF "LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE."]

You do KNOW, that theology you just presented is PART OF THE LIBERAL EVANGELICAL theology ?

Did you know that jesus asked Peter two times if he loved him (agape). But Peter replied that he was fond of Jesus. (Different love, Phileo). In my own study, I think that Peter was hesitant to profess agape, because of his failing in denying Jesus. So the third time Jesus uses phileo instead of agapeo

Then he tells Peter that next time he won’t deny Him, and prophecies that Peter will lay down his life for his faith one day

Jesus was healing Peters broken and discouraged heart. And saying in effect. You were weak, but from henceforth, YOU WILL BE THE ROCK that I named you

The day of Pentecost then changed Peter into a bold, uncompromising soldier for Christ

Not what the sermon was about, but what I got out of personal reading this morning

What I find interesting is how Jesus says of Peter that he is clean before Peter denied him. I bet Peter felt awkward about Jesus washing his feet because at first he would not let Jesus wash his feet. I see Jesus washing the disciples feet as symbolic of the need for our walk to be " washed" in that Jesus makes us more like himself in our Christian walk. And also it is easy for feet to get dirty if you are barefoot. So Jesus cleanses his people from their daily sins. Just some thoughts I was thinking on some yesterday.

Hi Mac...
@BillG I believe has posted the same thing as yourself , your post brought back memories of his post , Agape love , I still have so much to learn...xox...

UnderGrace used the phrase, “visible works”. What is always visible to God is often not visible to people. Is this the discrepancy between your point of view and hers?

UnderGrace used the phrase, “visible works”. What is always visible to God is often not visible to people. Is this the discrepancy between your point of view and hers?