Not By Works

Umm, I have already defined in my previous post what English Hades is which is said to be impure but when we say Hell for the Hebrew Sheol, we easily understand what it is.

I to had lived through a VERY similar experience. Yes, at my conversion after my 3rd attempt at suicide the last week of 1977, I had Wave after Wave of DEEP, DEEP remorse for my Utterly Sinful Lifestyle. But there was something more to that conversion experience, that I usually leave out of my testimony. Perhaps I should not have left it out, but I was afraid that most would have made fun of it.

I had a vision or a dream, not sure which, where I was on my knees before the Cross, reaching up to HIM, BEGGING HIM FOR FORGIVENESS, over and over again. Something strange caught my eye, that NO ONE HAD TAUGHT ME ANYTHING ABOUT. THE NAILS WERE THROUGH HIS WRISTS. {Years later I learned that Jews considered the wrists to be part of the hand.} As I was watching the NAILS in bewilderment, I saw blood come out, and fall, splashing on my raised forearms. THE BLOOD FELT WARM as it SPLASHED THERE. I KNEW I HAD BEEN TOTALLY FORGIVEN! That was where the Vision or Dream ended.

I believe HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE, and HE WOULD GUIDE ME THROUGH THE TRAINING TO BE QUALIFIED for POSITION HE WANTED ME TO TAKE. I was working in the Post Office on the night crew, where we were allowed to listen with a headset, to a Walkman cassette player, while we sorted mail. He Lead me to some outstanding BIBLE TEACHERS, for almost 10 years. I listened to as many as 4 one hour tapes a night. I had over 500 Cassettes, and I listened to everyone of the cassettes at least 4 times each. Most were by Dr. John MacArthur, and some be other TEACHERS, and all were Conservative evangelicals; no wild and doctrinally unsound in the bunch.

Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. - http://www.gty.org/ sermons dating back to the early 70s - free to listen to.
Dr. Adrian Rogers - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/
Dr. Charles Stanley - http://www.intouch.org/
Dr. Richard Lee - http://www.firstredeemer.org/
Dr. Zola Levitt - http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/118 - some free - videos
Dr. Ed Young - http://www.winningwalk.org/t-bio.aspx
Dr. Gil Rugh - http://www.ihcc.org/ - free sermons dating back to the late 70s - free
Dr. Chuck Swindoll - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/insight-for-living/
Dr. Walter Martin - https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/martin_walter/
Dr. Ben Haden - http://changedlives.org/WHY
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost - http://www.dts.edu/read/dr-dwight-pentecost-dies-age-99/

HE eventually put it on my heart to move to California, WHEN, I personally thought there are nothing but Fruits and Nuts there, so who would ever want to live there. HE motivated me to get INVOLVED in Prison Ministy. AND I KNEW THAT WAS MY CALLING. I moved to another town and Volunteered at the end of the line, supermax Prison there. I was accepted as a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain, with NO BIBLE COLLEGE, just those TAPES. I was there for 9.5 years, then moved again to another town with a supermax Prison, and Volunteered for 5.5 more years, until I retired from the Post Office.

Yes, I moved back to Nebraska, when my wife died unexpectedly, almost 4 years ago.

With due respect, but you should learn when to draw the appropriate distinction from the particular context. The KJB translators knew too well to translate Sheol. In fact, they did the translated it 31x as "Hell", 31 x as "grave" and 3x as "pit". So what Lexicon did you use sir?

The KJV is only a Paraphrase, not an actually Translation. The Original 1611 KJV PREFACE, admitted it in there PREFACE.
You put the KJV WAY TO HIGH ON A PEDESTAL.


(QUOTE)
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Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, . . .
but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . (END QUOTE)



http://www.ccel.org/bible/kjv/preface/pref1.htm

You do realize that the original writings have been long gone for years don't you. All we have today are fragments coming from two different manuscript lines.

People are piecing those fragments together to do their translating.

Ahh, I just thought we are into a discussion of the word of God. Previous English translation of the bibles is good yet there is one principal good one translation that is to be made. I sense citing me "wrong" is no sense but thanks for the interaction. I would hope next time we will be able to discuss the scripture of truth.

Thanks bro.

That’s not correct. While it is true that we do not have the originals,We have literally millions of pages of text of the NT. There are more than 5,000 manuscripts, and the average length is like, if I’m not mistaken, the average size is like 450 pages. Might not be exact about the average number of pages

Listen to James White on reliability of New Testament on Youtube

For another thread.

If DC is going to like your post, pretending he was not referring to me, and if EG and UG also agree, when they know exactly who point h was directed against, that is very indicative 😮

Wow you are a mind reader

I think @UnderGrace, has a point. What you are doing in this statement can be described as "mind reading" which is a faulty way of thinking about things, meaning it is not based on fact. If you think someone is talking about you, why not ask in a way that is gracious and kind? You may find that you were wrong. However unless you ask, you cannot know for sure.

NEWER ACTUAL TRANSLATIONS, Were based on OLDER ORIGINAL LANGUAGE MANUSCRIPTS.

The KJV is just a Paraphrase, Largely just updating the old style English to the way that KING JAMES spoke the language, and YES, many scholars OBJECTED VEHEMENTLY that it was taboo, to change the Language to the way King James spoke it. SOUNDS FAMILIAR DON'T IT.

The exact SAME THING, most KJV ONLY do TO Modern Translations. You seem to tolerate most of the Modern TRANSLATIONS, but you know how most KJV ONLY Believers treat other Bible Translations.

The Translators, also admitted the KNOWN ERRORS in the OLDER ENGLISH VERSIONS, they REFERRED to the Septuagint, and the LATIN translation of the BIBLE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, and THEREFORE they RELIED HEAVILY on those TRANSLATIONS being CORRECTLY translated. SO THEY NEVER WENT TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES to VERIFY that they were Correctly INTERPRETED. So errors in BOTH the Septuagint and the Latin Bible, just got carrying over to the KJV, as well as UNKNOWN ERRORS IN THE Older English VERSIONS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM with a Paraphrased VERSION, which the KJV IS.

I agree with KJV1611, your post like this one is of another thread and I am open to any discussion especially translation. I somehow reacted to your other post since they are related to the general word "salvation". Actually, you are just giving me the basic arguments over the Bible Version issue. This is off-topic, however, citing a verse and proving them it is correct is fine with me. We can discuss. With respect sir...Thank you.

I made a place to discuss bible versions.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/bible-translation-discussion-place.187529/

I didn’t change anything. 😊

Suggestion into your thread is no name-calling and VCO can participate or anyone in this thread. Thank you.

I know. I never said you did.. lol

It’s a bible version discussion thread there won’t be any heated discussions or name calling there lol.