The Keys and Loosing and Binding

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ComeLordJesus

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What is meant by this scripture?

And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shalt be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shalt be loosed in heaven. Matt.16:19
 

JaumeJ

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I always thought it to be part of Peter's eternal reward to come. Thinking more on it, it is most likely for all the saints of Yahweh, for judgment is to be handed over to them on His day at His time.
 

ComeLordJesus

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I always thought it to be part of Peter's eternal reward to come. Thinking more on it, it is most likely for all the saints of Yahweh, for judgment is to be handed over to them on His day at His time.
If that were true, it would apply to all the Apostles.

Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt.19:28
 

JaumeJ

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If that were true, it would apply to all the Apostles.

Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt.19:28
Not to be pedant, but if you read what I posted you will understand this is what I have said..
 
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Binding and loosing only function for those who are Jesus Christ Disciples. In other words, God has awarded this Believer with "Righteousness (Romans 4:5)" because their Faith is placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Finish Work at Calvary's Cross where the victory was won. Therefore this Believer receives the help of the Holy Spirit by the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus - Romans 8:2. This Believer is able to take authority over the demonic.

“19 And I will give unto you (“you” refers to all Believers) the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (refers to symbols of authority, the privilege of preaching or proclaiming the Gospel, which is the privilege of every Believer): and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven (Christ has given the authority and power to every Believer to bind Satan and his minions of darkness, and to do so by using the Name of Jesus [Mk. 16:17-18; Lk. 10:19]): and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven (looses the Power of God according to the usage of the Name of Jesus; this is the authority of the Believer).” Matthew 16:19

JSM

We have been given the keys of the Kingdom (Matthew 16:19). This gives us the authority to "bind" and "loose." "Binding" ties Satan's hands and stops his power to "steal, kill, and destroy," likewise, the "loosing" releases all that Jesus did at Calvary and the Resurrection. "Binding" has to do with the spirit world of darkness while "loosing" has to do with the Spirit world of Light. To "bind" means to restrict, stop, hinder, fetter, check, hold back, arrest, or put a stop to. To "loose" means to untie, unbind, unlock, liberate, release, forgive, or free.

Warning: Do not try and cast out devils if you aren't a Disciple (saved).

Acts 19:11-20 : The Sons of Sceva thought they were Disciples. (Righteousness is only awarded by God to the Believer by Faith placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won, i.e., "The Blood of Jesus." (Romans 4:5, 8:2)

John 6:53 - "Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, you have no life in you," (presents the demand that caused "many of His Disciples to go back, and walk no more with Him" (John 6:66). It does the same presently! This Verse tells us the degree of believing that is required; it refers to the Cross being the total Object of one's belief; failing that, there is no Life in you).

John 6:66 - From that time many of His Disciples went back, and walk no more with Him.

JSM
 

Nehemiah6

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What is meant by this scripture? And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of heaven
The "keys" are simply the Gospel Message. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (the Gospel). Romans 10 gives us complete insight into the importance of the Gospel, and Paul calls it the power of God unto salvation to them that believe (Rom 1:16).

Peter was given the keys (plural) since he was the first apostle to preach the Gospel to Jews on the day of Pentecost, and he was also the first apostle to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles in the home of Cornelius.
...and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shalt be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shalt be loosed in heaven. Matt.16:19
This refers to the apostolic authority given to the apostles to make rulings within the churches regarding the sins or erring Christians (or Christian pretenders). When Peter had to deal with Ananias and Sapphira, we see this authority being exercised.

Then we see Peter exercising this authority with Simon the Sorcerer. When Paul had to deal with a Christian who had committed incest in Corinth, he consigned him to Satan "for the destruction of the body". After the apostles passed on, this authority was transferred to the elders in the churches.
 
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What is meant by this scripture?

And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shalt be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shalt be loosed in heaven. Matt.16:19
The 12 had special authority to decide for the believers on Earth, and heaven will back it up.

One prime example was the Jerusalem Council event recorded in Acts 15 and Galatians 2.

They decided that the Gentile believers were to be exempted from the Law of Moses but the Jewish believers are still to continue with it.
They decided that Paul and Barnabas had the sole guardianship of the Gentile believers while Peter, James and John have that for the Jewish believers.

Since they have agreed on that, and bound themselves to it, it is also decided by God in heaven, as scripture.
 

posthuman

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It's important to note that the tense of 'bound/loosed' in heaven is past, perfect, indicating already done and completed.
This makes for an awkward and/or mysterious phrasing in English, and many - most - translations simply have it quite wrong, perhaps in attempt to make sense out of what the Greek literally says.

Matthew 16:19 YLT
and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

What it literally says is that whatever you shall bind on earth, shall already have been bound in heaven. So it's not Peter ((or whoever this applies to)) which affects the will of heaven, but heaven has already declared and sealed and Peter ((again, whoever)) tho he may be having the appearance of making his own choices in such matters, will in reality be carrying out on earth what was already foreordained and finished in heaven.
 

posthuman

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The 12 had special authority to decide for the believers on Earth, and heaven will back it up.
No. The text itself ((probably not the translation of it you are reading)) says exactly the opposite.

Heaven decides, and the Apostles carry out on earth what has already been done in heaven.
 

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The bible is the key to heaven. All believers teach the word of God to the people they encounter. Those who receive the word of God are loosed from their sin. Those who reject are bound to their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

posthuman

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The 12 had special authority to decide for the believers on Earth, and heaven will back it up.
Think about what you are saying.

Suppose Peter decides to 'loose' someone from their sin. Have they been saved by Peter's mercy or by God's?

The text disagrees with you, and it's blasphemous theology, to boot.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The gospel?
 
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The 12 had special authority to decide for the believers on Earth, and heaven will back it up.

One prime example was the Jerusalem Council event recorded in Acts 15 and Galatians 2.

They decided that the Gentile believers were to be exempted from the Law of Moses but the Jewish believers are still to continue with it.
They decided that Paul and Barnabas had the sole guardianship of the Gentile believers while Peter, James and John have that for the Jewish believers.

Since they have agreed on that, and bound themselves to it, it is also decided by God in heaven, as scripture.
....and there you have it. The paulines reframing of the word of God.

The very word of God is an object to be tampered with.
They can not read a verse without reframing it to exault paul and diminish the Lord,His apostles ,and the bible.
 
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Mat 18:18 is the same
Binding and loosing.
Allow < > disallow.

Context.
Mat 18:19
And anything you ask ,i will do it.

"I give you keys " power and authority and priviledge

Mat 18:18-19 was the text i stood on when God healed my blue healer of cushings disease,which is fatal 100% of the time.

The lame man at the gate beautiful is mat 18:18.
The man and wife extortionists killed is mat 18:18

Thats how they worked miracles.
Authority exercised.
Nothing has changed. Not even a sliver of change.
If you do not exercise your authority you will get very little victory.
What do you think is going on when you kick out the devil?
Authority

What do you think is going on when your child is sick,and in the spirit you see it is a demonic attack,and you loose your child from tjat grip of the enemy????
You exercised your authority.
You bound or disallowed the demonic,and you loosed your child into health and freedom.

Almost nowhere did Jesus or the apostles pray for the sick or demon possessed. They commanded.
Mat 18:18

IOW, MAKE IT LEAVE.
SICKNESS,DEMON ATTACK/OPPRESSION.

Cessationists nightmare that the power never left and Jesus is the same yesterday TODAY and forever.

So,we stay ready. We subject ourselves to a holy life,get refilled every morning,so we have something to give like what the apostles walked in.

Or,just walk a nominal life with a mixture of sin and God,and diminish what the bible says,believe your own doctrine,and you will have what we now see.... Mostly unanswered prayer.
You can not cast out demons or heal the sick except you recieve the anointing,walk holy, believe the bible,get refilled daily,and invoke mat 18:18,19 authority.

Heaven says that which you are bound with is the same that overcomes you.

You/ I have a crossroad.
It is the level of victory we decide to walk in.
Paul said " i will be behind in no gift"
That is why he walked in victory. He pursued it.
Passive=little to no victory
Active = the apostles
 
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It's important to note that the tense of 'bound/loosed' in heaven is past, perfect, indicating already done and completed.
This makes for an awkward and/or mysterious phrasing in English, and many - most - translations simply have it quite wrong, perhaps in attempt to make sense out of what the Greek literally says.

Matthew 16:19 YLT
and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

What it literally says is that whatever you shall bind on earth, shall already have been bound in heaven. So it's not Peter ((or whoever this applies to)) which affects the will of heaven, but heaven has already declared and sealed and Peter ((again, whoever)) tho he may be having the appearance of making his own choices in such matters, will in reality be carrying out on earth what was already foreordained and finished in heaven.
Amen

The Youngs literal translation set the gospel free. Leaving Catholicism in bondage not loosed.

The word it as it is written is the key that loosens and binds . Shall be having been bound establishes it to its rightful owner not Peter.

It using the word it the key verse Catholic use to set up another authority other than it as it is written. Making Peter and therefore the church that which loosens and binds. Destroying the faith as it is written

Its one of those false doctrine where it seems the Holy Spirit knew in advance men who try and replace it not seen used to represent the faith of Christ that works in us with the things of men seen. This is again if the key was in respect to the things seen(Peter ) . Then the gates of hell did prevail and Peter would not of been forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus

The King James is guilty of turning things upside down as the apostate Jews performed and in doing so have taken away the understanding that does come from above. . .(Isaiah 29:16) not Rome loosed from earth. Or earthly Jerusalem (same thing different fathers that lord it over the non venerable flock.)


And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16: 17-23 King James


Mathew 16: 17-23 Youngs literal And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens. `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.' Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ. From that time began Jesus to shew to his disciples that it is necessary for him to go away to Jerusalem, and to suffer many things from the elders, and chief priests, and scribes, and to be put to death, and the third day to rise. And having taken him aside, Peter began to rebuke him, saying, `Be kind to thyself, sir; this shall not be to thee;' and he having turned, said to Peter, `Get thee behind me, adversary! thou art a stumbling-block to me, for thou dost not mind the things of God, but the things of men.'
 

ComeLordJesus

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I always thought it to be part of Peter's eternal reward to come. Thinking more on it, it is most likely for all the saints of Yahweh, for judgment is to be handed over to them on His day at His time.
Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought since you only mentioned Peter he was the only one you were talking about.
 
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Mat 18:18 is the same
Binding and loosing.
Allow < > disallow.

Context.
Mat 18:19
And anything you ask ,i will do it.

"I give you keys " power and authority and priviledge

Mat 18:18-19 was the text i stood on when God healed my blue healer of cushings disease,which is fatal 100% of the time.

The lame man at the gate beautiful is mat 18:18.
The man and wife extortionists killed is mat 18:18

Thats how they worked miracles.
Authority exercised.
Nothing has changed. Not even a sliver of change.
If you do not exercise your authority you will get very little victory.
What do you think is going on when you kick out the devil?
Authority

What do you think is going on when your child is sick,and in the spirit you see it is a demonic attack,and you loose your child from tjat grip of the enemy????
You exercised your authority.
You bound or disallowed the demonic,and you loosed your child into health and freedom.

Almost nowhere did Jesus or the apostles pray for the sick or demon possessed. They commanded.
Mat 18:18

IOW, MAKE IT LEAVE.
SICKNESS,DEMON ATTACK/OPPRESSION.

Cessationists nightmare that the power never left and Jesus is the same yesterday TODAY and forever.

So,we stay ready. We subject ourselves to a holy life,get refilled every morning,so we have something to give like what the apostles walked in.

Or,just walk a nominal life with a mixture of sin and God,and diminish what the bible says,believe your own doctrine,and you will have what we now see.... Mostly unanswered prayer.
You can not cast out demons or heal the sick except you recieve the anointing,walk holy, believe the bible,get refilled daily,and invoke mat 18:18,19 authority.

Heaven says that which you are bound with is the same that overcomes you.

You/ I have a crossroad.
It is the level of victory we decide to walk in.
Paul said " i will be behind in no gift"
That is why he walked in victory. He pursued it.
Passive=little to no victory
Active = the apostles

Active = 2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version (KJV) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.. . . . . . = we walk by faith the eternal .

You are simply turning things upside down just as Peter the serial denier putting his hope in the things seen (no faith) .

Literalist nightmare is that the power we have in the earthen bodies which is not of us never left God the source. We like the Son of man Jesus have been freely given the power but would never claim it was of us.. . . and not Christ's alone. The power of the gospel from faith( believing God not seen ) to faith.( believing God not seen )

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

He who is not a man as us (Job 9:33) is the same yesterday TODAY and forever.

Literalist must believe when God made mankind he made them in the image of a God seen. This is as if God was a man. A pagan foundation.

Obviously its spiritual likeness not physical since "God is Spirit and not a man as us.

If we would attribute the work of God not seen to the apostles rather that the unseen Spirit of Christ working in that person.Then the need to cover ones head in sackcloth as sign that blasphemy has occurred would be necessary .

As in all cases we look to the things of faith, not seen, not the lust of the flesh, the lust eyes the things that can cause pride. the temporal things .The prescription for rightly dividing the word of God in regard to parables which without Christ spoke not is found in 2 Corinthians 4:18.

Acts 14: 7-15 And there they preached the gospel. (the power of God) And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: (the power of God)who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (the power of God) to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

No such thing as a "sign gift".

Spiritual gift not seen yes. We walk by faith the flesh profits for Zero,
 

ComeLordJesus

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Mat 18:18 is the same
Binding and loosing.
Allow < > disallow.

Context.
Mat 18:19
And anything you ask ,i will do it.

"I give you keys " power and authority and priviledge

Mat 18:18-19 was the text i stood on when God healed my blue healer of cushings disease,which is fatal 100% of the time.

The lame man at the gate beautiful is mat 18:18.
The man and wife extortionists killed is mat 18:18

Thats how they worked miracles.
Authority exercised.
Nothing has changed. Not even a sliver of change.
If you do not exercise your authority you will get very little victory.
What do you think is going on when you kick out the devil?
Authority

What do you think is going on when your child is sick,and in the spirit you see it is a demonic attack,and you loose your child from tjat grip of the enemy????
You exercised your authority.
You bound or disallowed the demonic,and you loosed your child into health and freedom.

Almost nowhere did Jesus or the apostles pray for the sick or demon possessed. They commanded.
Mat 18:18

IOW, MAKE IT LEAVE.
SICKNESS,DEMON ATTACK/OPPRESSION.

Cessationists nightmare that the power never left and Jesus is the same yesterday TODAY and forever.

So,we stay ready. We subject ourselves to a holy life,get refilled every morning,so we have something to give like what the apostles walked in.

Or,just walk a nominal life with a mixture of sin and God,and diminish what the bible says,believe your own doctrine,and you will have what we now see.... Mostly unanswered prayer.
You can not cast out demons or heal the sick except you recieve the anointing,walk holy, believe the bible,get refilled daily,and invoke mat 18:18,19 authority.

Heaven says that which you are bound with is the same that overcomes you.

You/ I have a crossroad.
It is the level of victory we decide to walk in.
Paul said " i will be behind in no gift"
That is why he walked in victory. He pursued it.
Passive=little to no victory
Active = the apostles
If you will read Matt.18:15-17 you will see that Jesus is talking about a persons actions before (v.18).

In his book "The First Bishop of Rome?" published in 1935 The Rev. C. De Lisle Shortt says: QUOTE: pg.45... The Meaning of the terms in Jewish terminology. It is necessary to remember that the terms to ""bind" and "loose" in Jewish legal terminology, are equivalent to "forbid" and to "allow," to "declare forbidden" and to "declare allowed." It must be admitted that the terms describe an authority of an administrative nature, for he who binds and looses exercises authority of a legislative character. This authority of St. Peter and the other Apostles was to be exercised in the newly formed society-"whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven, etc. But in this sentence the word "whatsoever" is neuter-a fact which deserves careful attention for this reason, that the term cannot refer to persons, but only to things. UNQUOTE