Who is the House of Israel today?
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Are you the guy who watches Feldick? You know he has said the Lords prayer is not to be recited by the church. Do you believe that also.
MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". The 10 scattered tribes.
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP! In {V:6} you will find his people have gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days. In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath. Thats exactly what your seeing in these times. Aint the WORD of God great!
ZECHARIAH 8 [23] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that TEN MEN shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
The 10 men. The remnant of the 10 {lost} scattered tribes.
MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". The 10 scattered tribes.
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP! In {V:6} you will find his people have gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days. In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath. Thats exactly what your seeing in these times. Aint the WORD of God great!
ZECHARIAH 8 [23] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that TEN MEN shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
The 10 men. The remnant of the 10 {lost} scattered tribes.
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LOL Never heard of Feldick.
I would offer the words "lost tribes" are not found neither reasoning for those two words is not found in the bible . I understand there is a purpose set aside for 10 and 2 .But all the tribes 12 are listed as present and accounted for in Revelation 21. with the tribe of Dan not missing but subtracted as a example the letter of the law represented by the word Dan (God is judge)
Sounds like you are creating mysteries the Bible reveals them
Where does the bible say they are lost tribes? The tribe of Dan is not used to represent the bride of Christ
Lost sheep belonging to the house of Israel, not to the tribes but to born again Israel .Not all Israel is Israel ..having nothing to do with the flesh of nations .As if we did wrestle against flesh and blood the thing seen and not the things of faith the unseen place of spirits a principalities.
Not a Jewish religion .
I would offer the words "lost tribes" are not found neither reasoning for those two words is not found in the bible . I understand there is a purpose set aside for 10 and 2 .But all the tribes 12 are listed as present and accounted for in Revelation 21. with the tribe of Dan not missing but subtracted as a example the letter of the law represented by the word Dan (God is judge)
Sounds like you are creating mysteries the Bible reveals them
Where does the bible say they are lost tribes? The tribe of Dan is not used to represent the bride of Christ
Lost sheep belonging to the house of Israel, not to the tribes but to born again Israel .Not all Israel is Israel ..having nothing to do with the flesh of nations .As if we did wrestle against flesh and blood the thing seen and not the things of faith the unseen place of spirits a principalities.
Not a Jewish religion .
This ^, too, is how I understand it. 
[quoting Wm Kelly's Commentary on Acts 26 (relating to the point in my earlier Post in this thread)]
"But the question, he insists, for which he stood for judgment was the hope of the promise made by God unto our fathers (ver. 6), unto which our twelve tribes earnestly serving, day and night, hope to arrive (ver. 7). How strange and flagrant that, of all men, Jews should lay accusation against him for that hope! Certainly his testimony to the risen Jesus did not weaken faith in the promise of the Messiah or in the resurrection of the dead. Yet the whole nation in their public and earnest service of God night and day bore witness of their hope of attaining to that promise. Why is it judged incredible if God raises dead men? The prisoner assuredly did believe what the service of the chosen nation confessed night and day. Were Jews then gainsayers of their own boasted faith?"
--William Kelly, Commentary on Acts 26 [source: BibleHub], esp. vv. 6-7
[and further down in the same Commentary, and the part pertinent to your point!]
"'On which [business] when proceeding unto Damascus with authority and commission of the chief-priests, at midday on the road I saw, O king a light above the brightness of the sun shining round me and those that were proceeding with me. And when we all fell to the earth, I heard a voice saying unto me in the Hebrew language, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? [It is] hard for thee to kick against goads. And I said, Who art Thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus Whom thou persecutest' (vers. 12-15).
"Never was sovereign grace so signally demonstrated. I do not speak of the wonder. But now evidently the Lord was giving a typical case [i.e. IN TYPE -TDW], in the letter it would seem for the Jews by and by, in spirit for the Christian now. For what could more completely prove that Christ is all to him that believes? To a man up to that moment blinded by his legal zeal against the grace of God in Christ, that very Christ reveals Himself, sweeping into nothingness all that a Jew boasted of and rested in, and identifying Himself in the glory of God with the One Who died, between two crucified robbers, the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
"On earth Messiah is to be set God's King on His holy hill of Zion. This is the decree. Judgment will surely silence all that oppose, be they kings or nations, rulers or peoples. Their rage is as vain as all their imaginations to the contrary. Execution of judgment will make all plain to every eye. Then will Messiah ask and receive the nations for His inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for His possession. Then will He break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. It will be no longer as now grace preached, but the kingdom established by divine power seen and felt beyond question; and the kings of the earth will be wise, and the judges instructed, serving Jehovah with fear and rejoicing with trembling (Psalm 2).
"Now Christ sits in heaven on the Father's throne, and has a new object of love and a new testimony carried on here below by the Holy Spirit suited to His glory on high and that object of love is the church which is His body. This mystery is great, as it must be, for we speak about Christ and about the church; concurrently with which goes forth the gospel of God's grace to every creature under heaven, all distinctions of Jew and Gentile vanishing meanwhile."
--William Kelly, Commentary on Acts 26 [source: BibleHub; bold and underline mine]
[quoting Wm Kelly's Commentary on Acts 26 (relating to the point in my earlier Post in this thread)]
"But the question, he insists, for which he stood for judgment was the hope of the promise made by God unto our fathers (ver. 6), unto which our twelve tribes earnestly serving, day and night, hope to arrive (ver. 7). How strange and flagrant that, of all men, Jews should lay accusation against him for that hope! Certainly his testimony to the risen Jesus did not weaken faith in the promise of the Messiah or in the resurrection of the dead. Yet the whole nation in their public and earnest service of God night and day bore witness of their hope of attaining to that promise. Why is it judged incredible if God raises dead men? The prisoner assuredly did believe what the service of the chosen nation confessed night and day. Were Jews then gainsayers of their own boasted faith?"
--William Kelly, Commentary on Acts 26 [source: BibleHub], esp. vv. 6-7
[and further down in the same Commentary, and the part pertinent to your point!]
"'On which [business] when proceeding unto Damascus with authority and commission of the chief-priests, at midday on the road I saw, O king a light above the brightness of the sun shining round me and those that were proceeding with me. And when we all fell to the earth, I heard a voice saying unto me in the Hebrew language, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? [It is] hard for thee to kick against goads. And I said, Who art Thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus Whom thou persecutest' (vers. 12-15).
"Never was sovereign grace so signally demonstrated. I do not speak of the wonder. But now evidently the Lord was giving a typical case [i.e. IN TYPE -TDW], in the letter it would seem for the Jews by and by, in spirit for the Christian now. For what could more completely prove that Christ is all to him that believes? To a man up to that moment blinded by his legal zeal against the grace of God in Christ, that very Christ reveals Himself, sweeping into nothingness all that a Jew boasted of and rested in, and identifying Himself in the glory of God with the One Who died, between two crucified robbers, the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
"On earth Messiah is to be set God's King on His holy hill of Zion. This is the decree. Judgment will surely silence all that oppose, be they kings or nations, rulers or peoples. Their rage is as vain as all their imaginations to the contrary. Execution of judgment will make all plain to every eye. Then will Messiah ask and receive the nations for His inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for His possession. Then will He break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. It will be no longer as now grace preached, but the kingdom established by divine power seen and felt beyond question; and the kings of the earth will be wise, and the judges instructed, serving Jehovah with fear and rejoicing with trembling (Psalm 2).
"Now Christ sits in heaven on the Father's throne, and has a new object of love and a new testimony carried on here below by the Holy Spirit suited to His glory on high and that object of love is the church which is His body. This mystery is great, as it must be, for we speak about Christ and about the church; concurrently with which goes forth the gospel of God's grace to every creature under heaven, all distinctions of Jew and Gentile vanishing meanwhile."
--William Kelly, Commentary on Acts 26 [source: BibleHub; bold and underline mine]
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The word "Trinity" is also not found in the bible.
Yes all 12 tribes are accounted for in Rev.21. Ya gotta think. The Jews have 2 tribes. Theres gonna be 12. Wheres the 10? Scattered and lost? If not who are they. Point them out to me. Tell me where they are.
All are accounted for in Rev.21 because they are gathered on the "Day of the Lord"
EZEKIEL34 [9] Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; [10] Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. [11] For thus saith the Lord God;Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. [12] AS A SHEPHERD SEEKETH OUT HIS FLOCK IN THE DAY THAT HE IS AMONG HIS SHEEP THAT ARE SCATTERED; SO WILL I SEEK OUT MY SHEEP, AND WILL DELIVER THEM OUT OF ALL PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN SCATTERED IN THE CLOUDY AND DARK DAY. [13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, AND WILL BRING THEM TO THEIR OWN LAND, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
And as you can clearly see Jesus will gather His scattered sheep in the DARK and CLOUDY DAY. So whens the DARK and CLOUDY DAY?
JOEL 2 [1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; [2] A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND OF THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
yup. THE DAY OF THE LORD
Yes all 12 tribes are accounted for in Rev.21. Ya gotta think. The Jews have 2 tribes. Theres gonna be 12. Wheres the 10? Scattered and lost? If not who are they. Point them out to me. Tell me where they are.
All are accounted for in Rev.21 because they are gathered on the "Day of the Lord"
EZEKIEL34 [9] Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; [10] Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. [11] For thus saith the Lord God;Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. [12] AS A SHEPHERD SEEKETH OUT HIS FLOCK IN THE DAY THAT HE IS AMONG HIS SHEEP THAT ARE SCATTERED; SO WILL I SEEK OUT MY SHEEP, AND WILL DELIVER THEM OUT OF ALL PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN SCATTERED IN THE CLOUDY AND DARK DAY. [13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, AND WILL BRING THEM TO THEIR OWN LAND, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
And as you can clearly see Jesus will gather His scattered sheep in the DARK and CLOUDY DAY. So whens the DARK and CLOUDY DAY?
JOEL 2 [1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; [2] A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND OF THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
yup. THE DAY OF THE LORD
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The word trinity is not cemented in stone, as a law. Personally I think it is two working as one. The dynamic duo. Mankind represents the image of God .The father and the Son are one Spirit working together as one mutual work of faith .
He made the other beasts of the field that are not created in his image. . male separately and female a separate creation (one at a time).
It really has nothing to do with how tribes are used. Again I am aware of the use of two tribes used to represent believers. But believers are not lost.
Yes born again sheep from every nation not tribes.
Yes sheep from every nation not tribes.
The day of the Lord what? The tribes are still lost?? When and how will they be revealed? DNA? Genealogy. . birth records?
He made the other beasts of the field that are not created in his image. . male separately and female a separate creation (one at a time).
It really has nothing to do with how tribes are used. Again I am aware of the use of two tribes used to represent believers. But believers are not lost.
Yes born again sheep from every nation not tribes.
Yes sheep from every nation not tribes.
The day of the Lord what? The tribes are still lost?? When and how will they be revealed? DNA? Genealogy. . birth records?
It's hard for modern man to understand how God is not Love without Wrath and He is not Mercy without Judgement. Hosea (vs.) 10 and 11 will be fulfilled literally at the end of Daniel's Seventieth Week.
(v.10) and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matt.23:39
(v.10) and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matt.23:39
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You will know them by their desire to keep Torah and their love for Jesus. Ruth is an excellent example to us for one who wanted the God of Israel to be her God. And I'm pretty certain that should we one day get to meet Ruth, she will tell you of her love for Jesus, she being the great great grandmother of David. Nobody is going to know with any accuracy if they are from a bloodline 2700 years ago, scattered to the ends of the earth, forgetting who they were and what they believed (because of their rebellion to God and His Torah and even to this day many believers in Jesus reject His Jewish ways that He taught almost 2000 years ago). The LORD designated the tribe of Judah to be the caretaker of the Law and they have preserved it for us to this very day. We are in the end of days and all this has been prophecied. Check your heart, for it monitors who you are in the end of days. Think Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Lamentations, etc. Without the foundation of the OT, can we truly understand what is in the NT?
Gotta love Ruth
Yes, the foundations of the doctrines of God are found in the Old. Destroy them how could we find the doctrines of God in the new.
I would agree the purpose for a bloodline was to preserve the integrity of the spiritual seed (Christ) until the Son of man Jesus was born .The born again generation of Christ, and Luke the generation of Adam the evil generation.. It was the end of the genealogy. Blood line lost its purpose. In both Mathew the generation of Christ and Luke. It came to a end
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Luke 3: 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Israel was carried away captive by Assyria in 721 BC. Today, the modern established nation of Israel, in the Middle East, does not have a right to that name; and they know it. They should call themselves Judah——because that is who they are. I guess they figure that the real Israel has been gone so long the name was up for grabs. I believe that the god of this world, Satan, has caused this to confuse people about prophecy. To see who really has the rights, to the name Israel, we have to go all the way back to Genesis. Jacob, renamed Israel by God, was blessing Joseph’s sons: “And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, the Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: And he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head. And Joseph said unto his father, not so, my father: For this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: But truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, in thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: And he set Ephraim before Manasseh” (Genesis 48:14-20). Jacob gave his name, Israel, to the sons of Joseph. He also gave Joseph’s sons the rights to the names of Abraham and Issac. That was why the northern tribes were called Israel. The southern tribe of Judah was just Judah. Judah could be part of Israel but not all of Israel. Just like all bears are mammals, but not all mammals were bears.
Now let’s put all this together. You saw a blessing of a nation and a company of nations passed to Joseph’s sons. This great multitude of people was to possess the “gates” (Fenton translation) of his enemies. This blessing was also passed to Isaac’s wife, Rebekah. “And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them” (Genesis 24:60). I purpose that Ephraim was Great Britain, and Manasseh was the United States of America. It was during the latter 18th century, when Britain rose to world dominance, with their navy controlling most of the seaways. The United States rose to a world power after the war with Spain, circa 1898. What other countries controlled the world’s sea gates: Suez, Gibraltar, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Africa’s horn, the Falklands, Panama Canal, Puerto Rico and Guam. I know this isn’t a popular concept to put forth, but the implication is unmistakable. Would God exclude two of the greatest world powers in His prophecies of the last days? I think not! Even the very name of the British held on to some of their Hebrew identity: covenant in Hebrew was Beriyth or bryth; the Hebrews did not use vowels in spelling. The y has an i sound in Hebrew; with the h being silent in Hebrew (also an English trait); therefore, brit meant covenant, and ish means man. So British meant covenant man.
Now let’s put all this together. You saw a blessing of a nation and a company of nations passed to Joseph’s sons. This great multitude of people was to possess the “gates” (Fenton translation) of his enemies. This blessing was also passed to Isaac’s wife, Rebekah. “And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them” (Genesis 24:60). I purpose that Ephraim was Great Britain, and Manasseh was the United States of America. It was during the latter 18th century, when Britain rose to world dominance, with their navy controlling most of the seaways. The United States rose to a world power after the war with Spain, circa 1898. What other countries controlled the world’s sea gates: Suez, Gibraltar, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Africa’s horn, the Falklands, Panama Canal, Puerto Rico and Guam. I know this isn’t a popular concept to put forth, but the implication is unmistakable. Would God exclude two of the greatest world powers in His prophecies of the last days? I think not! Even the very name of the British held on to some of their Hebrew identity: covenant in Hebrew was Beriyth or bryth; the Hebrews did not use vowels in spelling. The y has an i sound in Hebrew; with the h being silent in Hebrew (also an English trait); therefore, brit meant covenant, and ish means man. So British meant covenant man.
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Ezekiel 11:16-19 (KJV)
16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Would it make you feel better if i called them scattered tribes which no one can find or will be recognized until they are gathered by Christ.
16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Would it make you feel better if i called them scattered tribes which no one can find or will be recognized until they are gathered by Christ.
The scattered are mostly the Christian nations of today, England, America, Scotland, Ireland etc. There are actually 14 tribes.
There is a difference in tribes depending on what you are naming them for. Within the 20 times they are listed they are listed according to birth, encampment, geographical, order of importance, order of love (priests breastplate) etc. ex Joseph not mentioned because he was in Egypt. Levi not mentioned because it had to do with land rights
1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Judah
5. Dan
6. Naphtali
7. Gad
8. Asher
9. Issachar
10. Zebulon
11. Joseph
12. Benjamin
13. Ephraim
14. Manasseh
There is a difference in tribes depending on what you are naming them for. Within the 20 times they are listed they are listed according to birth, encampment, geographical, order of importance, order of love (priests breastplate) etc. ex Joseph not mentioned because he was in Egypt. Levi not mentioned because it had to do with land rights
1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Judah
5. Dan
6. Naphtali
7. Gad
8. Asher
9. Issachar
10. Zebulon
11. Joseph
12. Benjamin
13. Ephraim
14. Manasseh
The followers of Herbert Armstrong believe that Israel is modern day USA, Western Europe countries, and the colonies of such countries, including the USA.
Armstrong got his false teachings from earlier British Israelites.
Black Hebrew Israelites believe that they are the Israelites, along with Latinos and native Americans.
The reality is, that if you carefully research these claims, they are bogus. Some of Israel came back into the Jewish nation, and others integrated into the population of the lands that they were taken into exile by.
If anyone wants a good study on this, I recommend this book:
https://smile.amazon.com/History-Lo...sh+israelism&qid=1569874015&s=gateway&sr=8-48
The History of the Ten "Lost" Tribes Anglo-Israelism Examined by David Baron
Beware of Armstrong's teachings. He was a first-class kook. He taught that he restored the true faith (how many times have we heard that?), was anti-Trinitarian, and believed that his disciples would become fully God in the resurrection.
His logic on British Israelism was extremely poor, too...
For instance, he claimed that the word "Saxon" came from "Isaac's Sons". He used legends, kooky word games and misinformation to support his doctrines.
My understanding is that some Hebrew Roots Movement people follow some of his teachings, although they have modified them a bit.
If any mature Christian wants a good laugh, read his book US and Great Britain in Prophecy....his logic is totally messed up, as well as his historical facts.
My guess is that is the direction the OP is heading in this regard. First question I'd ask: are you an Armstrongite (one of the Sabbatarian Church of God groups like United Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, Living Church of God, or Philadelphia Church of God)? Are you Hebrew Roots Movement?
Basically, Armstrong's tactic was to convince white Europeans that they were descendants of Israel, and the OT prophecies related to Israel directly applied to them, including the warnings against failing to observe the Sabbath, Festivals, and unclean meat laws...he applied this inconsistently too because he didn't believe New Moons were required, yet they are mentioned in the same verses.
Armstrong got his false teachings from earlier British Israelites.
Black Hebrew Israelites believe that they are the Israelites, along with Latinos and native Americans.
The reality is, that if you carefully research these claims, they are bogus. Some of Israel came back into the Jewish nation, and others integrated into the population of the lands that they were taken into exile by.
If anyone wants a good study on this, I recommend this book:
https://smile.amazon.com/History-Lo...sh+israelism&qid=1569874015&s=gateway&sr=8-48
The History of the Ten "Lost" Tribes Anglo-Israelism Examined by David Baron
Beware of Armstrong's teachings. He was a first-class kook. He taught that he restored the true faith (how many times have we heard that?), was anti-Trinitarian, and believed that his disciples would become fully God in the resurrection.
His logic on British Israelism was extremely poor, too...
For instance, he claimed that the word "Saxon" came from "Isaac's Sons". He used legends, kooky word games and misinformation to support his doctrines.
My understanding is that some Hebrew Roots Movement people follow some of his teachings, although they have modified them a bit.
If any mature Christian wants a good laugh, read his book US and Great Britain in Prophecy....his logic is totally messed up, as well as his historical facts.
My guess is that is the direction the OP is heading in this regard. First question I'd ask: are you an Armstrongite (one of the Sabbatarian Church of God groups like United Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, Living Church of God, or Philadelphia Church of God)? Are you Hebrew Roots Movement?
Basically, Armstrong's tactic was to convince white Europeans that they were descendants of Israel, and the OT prophecies related to Israel directly applied to them, including the warnings against failing to observe the Sabbath, Festivals, and unclean meat laws...he applied this inconsistently too because he didn't believe New Moons were required, yet they are mentioned in the same verses.
David Baron's book references the Scriptures pertaining to the northern kingdom after the Exile and shows that many Israelites returned from the Exile and integrated into Judah. In fact, Anna the Prophetess was from Asher, one of these Ten Tribes.
Luke 2:36 36And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin, 37and then as a widow until she was eighty-four.f She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day. 38And coming up at that very hour she began to give thanks to God and to speak of him to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem.
This isn't the sole proof, though..there are several verses in the OT describing the return of some of the Israelites. See the David Baron book I mentioned if you want further proof that the Western European nations are the lost ten tribes of Israel.
One thing that might give you a clue is that these nations are WHITE not SEMITIC like Israelites were. It should be a big clue. It should also clue black people who think that they are the true Israelites, but obviously they don't listen to sound reason.
If you buy into this British Israel idea, though, and you are of German ancestry, be aware that some of the British Israelites like Armstrong believe that you are a descendant of the evil Assyrians, and that your home country is going to enslave the Western Europeans again. This would be the end time recapitulation of the earlier captivity.
By the way, Baron's book is free on Kindle if you want to get it that way.
Luke 2:36 36And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin, 37and then as a widow until she was eighty-four.f She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day. 38And coming up at that very hour she began to give thanks to God and to speak of him to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem.
This isn't the sole proof, though..there are several verses in the OT describing the return of some of the Israelites. See the David Baron book I mentioned if you want further proof that the Western European nations are the lost ten tribes of Israel.
One thing that might give you a clue is that these nations are WHITE not SEMITIC like Israelites were. It should be a big clue. It should also clue black people who think that they are the true Israelites, but obviously they don't listen to sound reason.
If you buy into this British Israel idea, though, and you are of German ancestry, be aware that some of the British Israelites like Armstrong believe that you are a descendant of the evil Assyrians, and that your home country is going to enslave the Western Europeans again. This would be the end time recapitulation of the earlier captivity.
By the way, Baron's book is free on Kindle if you want to get it that way.
I know an Armstrongite, and he remarked that he believed the ministry in the Armstrongite church was descended from Levi. That's how far people take these things.
I have also heard Hebrew Roots Movement adherents claim that they were from specific tribes. One Hebrew Roots guy claimed that his brother was from one tribe, and he was from another...these two tribes had unfriendly relationships in the past, and he used that as an explanation why he and his brother fought a lot. Hilarious Rather than face his own carnality, he blamed it on tribal affiliations within Israel. Well, the guy was just some white dude from Canada, and I don't know if his parents were the same as his brothers.
People who buy into these ideas can be a source of entertainment
I have also heard Hebrew Roots Movement adherents claim that they were from specific tribes. One Hebrew Roots guy claimed that his brother was from one tribe, and he was from another...these two tribes had unfriendly relationships in the past, and he used that as an explanation why he and his brother fought a lot. Hilarious
Rather than face his own carnality, he blamed it on tribal affiliations within Israel. Well, the guy was just some white dude from Canada, and I don't know if his parents were the same as his brothers.People who buy into these ideas can be a source of entertainment