Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Greetings G,

Sadly your observation is correct,

Many time when I see his posts lining up I just scroll through them knowing that they are simply toxic outbursts.

Where does that come from? I think I know. James 1:26

SG

Do you believe that Rest is working at the law?

When you go back and work at the law, in direct contradiction to the apostles, do you think it is making a mockery of what Christ gives us when we come to Him?

Are you really justified, are you really sanctified, when you tell Christ He isn't doing that great of a job at making you Righteous so you're going to have take up the slack and REALLY start obeying that law???

Don't you believe?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The law isn't established by you working at it. That way already failed. The law is established by your faith in Christ.

By faith in Christ i am justified.
By faith in Christ i am sanctified.
Christ perfectly obeyed the law and when He imparts that character changing work in me i become like Him. I don't obey (i can't obey) to earn salvation or to be good enough, i obey because Christ is transforming me into His image (sanctification).
Do you believe Christ wants to impart His character to us.
Imparted righteousness is different to imputed righteousness.

What's funny is EG explaining Christ to a bunch of deaf people.

Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"

That's the problem when "dealing" with EG! It's not that many are failing to see what he sees. Many already see what he sees, and it's not a good place to be.
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"

He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!

What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"

Is the 10 commandment relevant in that growth?

Do you believe if we cannot do "works of righteousness" that we can at least flee/avoid/shun/put behind us/abstain/reject/etc works of unrighteousness?

SG

Do you believe if we cannot do "works of righteousness" that we can at least flee/avoid/shun/put behind us/abstain/reject/etc works of unrighteousness?

SG

Midnight here, i better get some sleep.

By Gods spirit we can do all things. With Jesus we can overcome. He came to save us from sin.

Masterful description/Explaination NayborBear!,

If that doesn't hit it's mark then NOTHING WILL!!

SG

What's funny is EG explaining Christ to a bunch of deaf people.

Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"

Yanno what's sad Grandpa?
When people try esplaining that which transpires when one presses onwards?
This:
1 Corinthians 12
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have NO NEED of you.
And yet? He and others like him DO!
It's like he, and others like him FOLLOW Paul, like Christ's Disciples FOLLOWED Christ! Not AS PAUL FOLLOWED CHRIST!
You are FREE to speak Christianity my friend! As LONG as YOU AGREE WITH ME!
Therefore EVERYTHING you do, or say? Is WRONG!
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior!

He, and others like him follow Paul's and Jesus' commandment/s to "love?" Yet, as far as "mysteries" that Paul couldn't explain? And Parables that Jesus taught in?
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Yes and Yes, it is a constant pressing in on our part...a seek, knock, ask. Demonstrations of Loving YHWH with all our heart, mind, strength.

I read many citations of verse 1-3 below, but rarely see verses 4-6

Rom 8:1-6 NIV

(1) Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

(2) because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

(3) For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,

(4) in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

SG

(5) Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

(6) The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;

There is a learning to hear what the spirit says

Heb 3:7-13 NIV

(7) So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,

(8) do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert,

(9) where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.

(10) That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.'

(11) So I declared on oath in my anger, "They shall never enter my rest.'"

(12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

(13) But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.


"Turning away from the Living God" in my understanding is to refuse to "hear" His Holy Spirit when He speaks to you....

They are descriptive passages in my view.

Those who have truly repented and come to true saving faith where born again, given the spirit of God, made a new creature, and out of this faith and new birth, by NATURE those who “do good”, they are those who love and obey the commands of god as another passage says,

Those who have not repented, have never been born again, have not recieved the spirit, remain as they are, and are nature are children of wrath who do evil (even though you and I may see they as morally good people) or they went to church all their life, as jesus said, in that day MANY will come, saying how they did all these great works in jesus name’ and jesus will tell them depart, for he NEVER knew them, and stated, they practice iniquity.

And thank you for asking what i see, and not assuming, like quite a few here seems to continue to do no matter what anyon else says. Not just to me, but many others,

Ok exodus is god, as the leader of Israel, imposing capitol punishment on certain sins, and the nation of israel was commanded to follow through with those judgments

Revelation is about the final judgment on those who do not believe or reject christ, not on people who commit certain sins.

So i still do not see in the law what you are saying

The law showed redemption (sacrifice) which saves us from judgment jesus fulfilled that, by offering salvation to everyone, no matter what sin they commited,

Jesus teachings are forever that is not the argument

They argument is does the law teach us how to be morally upright people who love god and serves others

Or is it the love of god and others the means by which we do not break the law (as well as not commit the many sins which are not mentioned by the law)

If we focus on law, we miss on so much in my view

Yeah I would say we see this passage similar, and I do think you propery described the 2 different groups mentioned, that is the mechanisim of how/why they got to be they way they are, but one reason why I selected this verse is because Jesus used the word "judge"

John 5:28-30, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me."

Do you think we we actaully be "judged" (who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment) as Jesus says or has Jesus gotten it all wrong in this matter?

I honestly take this at face value, after all the King said it, but I have had a hard time reconciling this with others I have spoken with, many people disagree with it or ignore it outright. I don't understand why, IMO if Jesus said it, then it must be true and of importance.