Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

"..for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God."

Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” John 5:17

There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. 1 Corinthians 12:6

Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, Colossians 3:23

I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
Ephesians 3:7

...and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, Ephesians 1:15-23


So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’” Luke 17:7-10

The scribes and Pharisees were descendants of Edomites who remained in the land and grew in power after Israel was taken into Babylon captivity.


A very abridged version of history:

[Genesis 36] - While Esau is a son of Abraham through Isaac, He rejected his birthright while also marrying restricted women of other nations, spoiling his seed. Recall that Esau/Edom HATES Jacob/Israel because of the stolen birthright that they claim as rightfully theirs. Also remember that Yah says "Jacob I love, Esau I Hate."

[2 Samuel 8:13-14] - When David conquered the Edomites they became the servants of Israel.

[1 Kings 11:14] - When Solomon began sinning, Yah allowed the Edomites to rise in power and rival him.

[Obadiah 1] - Edom conspired with Israel's enemies and then did nothing when Israel was captured and taken away.

[Psalm:137:7] - Edom laid claim of Jerusalem when Israel was taken away. And as former servants of the kingdom, they retained all the knowledge of the temple service and the scriptures...so when Judah was allowed to return they relied on Edomite "Judeans".

[Intertestimental history] - These "Edomite" Judeans formed the Hasmonean Priestly dynasty after the Maccabean revolt. The Pharisees and scribes grew as sects out of this dynasty's sages. They maintained that there was given an "Oral Law" (i.e. laws that weren't written down with The Written Torah). So these Edomite priests taught the people a mix of The Written Torah and Oral Law (Takanot & Ma'asim).

This is why Christ says "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. A little leaven leavens the whole lump." They mixed truth with error.

It is the "Oral Law" that was considered the "tradition of the men" that Christ said, "made the commandments of God of none effect".
It is the "Oral Law" that was codified into the Talmud, which became the basis for Judaism.

Fast-forward to the time of Christ, and the gospels detail that Herod's "royal" family were also Idumeans (Edomites), and history records that they are also Hasmoneans.

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None of the groups that were in power in Judea at the time of Christ were actually true Israelites.

"If Abraham was your father, you would do what he did...your father is the devil."

Lightskin said:
Abiders in the law don’t abide perfectly thus the abiding is moot. Exhibit A is the lack of love displayed all too often from law abiders throughout various posts.

How about you respond to what Lightskin said which was, "Abiders in the law don’t abide perfectly thus the abiding is moot."

As it is impossible to keep the law perfectly, all law abiders are condemned. It is so sad you cannot see that.

Jul 11, 2019 POST 1184
Grandpa said:

If you ever do then you will understand the difference between the law and Gods Law that He puts in the mind and heart.

MY REPLY
You said it yourself
"Gods Law that He puts in the mind and heart" I am good. What you teach and preach after this is up to you.


Jul 11, 2019 #1,194
Is there ANYONE who is seeking to be JUSTIFIED or MADE RIGHTEOUS or FIND THEIR SALVATION THROUGH THE LAW?

NO? Then why don't we shelve ANYTHING that has to do with that.


Jul 11, 2019 #1,206
gb9 said:

no need to. we can see right now.
if Law/Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation through Christ, then one does not have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved, right??
MY REPLY
Whose post? And you see this post as "trying to find eternal life through the law"?
Jul 14, 2019 #1,387
gb9 said:

what e g said was true. you people attach keeping the Law of Moses along with the jewish Sabbath as part of salvation through faith in Christ, and it is not.
MY REPLY
Please tell me where I have ever stated either keeping the law of Moses or the Jewish Sabbath have anything to do with salvation. As a matter of fact I have consistently stated that keeping the law has Nothing to do with salvation or righteousness or being justified or getting favored treatment or anything "extra". I am a part of the "YOU PEOPLE". As a matter of fact I would appreciate you point out a single post from anyone stating that salvation can be got "through the law" because I missed it.

Jul 14, 2019 #1,400
gb9 said:
i asked you a couple of days ago if one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved, or not.
you never answered . Friday at 12:14 PM
#1,271
gb9 said:
me also. but, that does not answer the question. Shabbat or not? requirement or not?
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MY REPLY
I believe that my rest in Christ answers that question. I believe my answer lies with in the Spirit of the Law. It does for me. I hope you can respect that. Are you looking to find out if I believe it is within the letter of the law? Do you? Is it a requirement for you or not?
This was my answer then, as this is my answer now. So you see I DID ANSWER.

Did I obey my parents perfetly? No, Do I obey the laws of my state perfectly? I am quite sre I do not (the state speed limit is one it does not take uch to break. If the speed limit is 55, going 56 is breaking the law) Do I obey my faither perfectly? No. And if I said I did, you should call me a liar and decieved. Because thats what Jhn said I would be. Thus according to Gods standard. I have failed to keep the law.

Now. Do I desire to live a righteous life? Yes.

But history and scriptur eproves, we do nto do it by following ten commands.. So why would you wish to try to find righteousness that way?

Thank you for answering my questions, i appreciate
your honesty.

Didn't Jesus say that with God nothing is impossible?

Would you refuse to obey the 10 commandments if God is in you. If it is God who works in you, would you tell God that His 10 commandments is undesirable to follow.

Aren't we as servants expected to obey our master without complaining but in submission and humility?
How can we say that we love God and confess that Jesus is our Lord while rejecting the 10 commandments which is clearly God's words spoken as commands. Rejecting His laws and commandments is rejecting His words, right?

for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. Philippians 2:13-16

There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:48-50

Without law, there is chaos, disorder and lawlessness...no peace.

Walk in Love and God bless.

Good Morning NayborBear,

Would you help me to get a clearer understanding of the difference between "eternal" and "everlasting"?

Thanks

SG

no, I do hear exactly what you are saying. I keep telling you this, if you get off your religious high horse, and stop thinking you know what others think, and believe anyone who disagrees with you is not understanding you .

read this very slowly- the reason I disagree with you is your theology is built on the false premise that the Law is divided into parts. it is NOT.

one last time- what God gave to Moses at Sinai was a COVENANT. covenant are not divided into parts. many times it is said by God " the Covenant I made....." covenant . singular.
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and, I am still waiting on you to explain why there is one greek word for law, which has a minor meaning that can be plural, but is mostly singular in definition, if there is in fact multiple parts to the Law.

so, i ask you to actually adress these simple facts that prove your system wrong, instead of pivoting to something else.

so, in other words, you can't refute the points I made, which I address all yours, so you stick your finger In your ears, and say " I do not want to talk about it.'

and i could care less about your hollow little threats. my salvation rests solely in trusting Christ, not of myself, a gift of God.

your group can spit on Paul's words, but i personally think we should believe in Jesus's hand picked man to bring the Gospel ( not the Torah) to the gentiles.

How convenient, it must be for you, in deliberately overlooking this:

Ezekiel 20
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!

Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!

It says there not to go beyond what is written. You have said that the 10 commandments is not God's law so I dare to disagree.

Jesus told His disciples to teach people to obey everything He has commanded them and in the presence of His disciples He commanded the rich young man to obey the commandments referring to the 10 which according to Romans 13:8-14 is fulfilled through LOVE.

This is the message we have heard from the beginning. (1 John 1:5, 2:7, 3:11)

For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Hebrews 4:2

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:16-26

It is clear that if God is with us, nothing is impossible.

The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Word, the law, the LOVE according to scriptures will be in our(Christians)
hearts. They all agree with each other...in unity. So if your heart tells you not to obey the law, someone else must be there.

Walk in Love and GOD bless.

Thank you Joshua, that is very interesting, you don't mind if I keep it with the rest of my notes do you?

So let me ask, what in the whole of the Bible do you treasure the most?

Having their children pass through the fire is child sacrifice to the detestable god Molech, a bronze bull idol, heated red hot, in which infants were placed.

God never told them to do this, nor did such an abomination ever even enter His mind.

[Psalm:137:7] - Edom laid claim of Jerusalem when Israel was taken away. And as former servants of the kingdom, they retained all the knowledge of the temple service and the scriptures...so when Judah was allowed to return they relied on Edomite "Judeans"

Greetings Y,

Excellent summary!