Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Judaism is a codification of the traditions of the pharisees that made the commands of Yah of none effect.

You haven't read me promoting Judaism from any of my post on here in 5 years. And you never will.

True Christianity, the faith once delivered to the saints, is obedience to the law of Yah and having the faith of Christ. Both elements, not just one.

And both are mentioned in the last book of scripture that the saints must patiently endure to keep until our king returns.

Sure. And be sure to quote me exactly.

When God speaks to man he does so through the Holy Spirit.

If you are saying you cannot see the correlation between Egypt Israel Sinai and the giving of the law to Israel with Sin the sinner and the giving of the Holy Spirit to the redeemed (writing of the law upon our hearts) then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

At this point the facts are laid out to see and either embrace or reject. Choose Life!

If the 613 Mitzvot laws do not exist, then you have no reason to talk about the Mosaic Law.

Please do not bother me anymore.

More nonsense.

I'll go one further and say I don't even know of a Jew who is obsessed with the law. I do know that my best friends parents all through high school were survivors of the concentration camps tattoos, fingernails and all. Spent much of my life at that time with them. I found them to be the nicest, (and super intelligent, but I was in high school but they did work in physics), peaceful, grateful and gracious people I have ever met. I don't remember them ever pushing or questioning me or observing any obsession. If they were, they must have been doing it with their hearts because their fruit was all you would expect someone who loves the LORD and whom the LORD loves back. Love, peace, charity, meekness, ect they embodied.

Is there a law for "washing hands before eating" in the Law?

The pharisees accused Christ of not washing hands before eating.

It's surely a law in Judaism - they have a special cup for it and everything - but can you find it anywhere in the "OT"?

Be sure before determining what I say is nonsense.

Is this promoting Judaism

I guess..

Choose life

While there is a correlations between the two. It is not as you think.

Life can not be given by the law. It can not even show us what true life looks like.

IT CONDEMNS, then it SHOWS WHAT MUST BE DONE TO REDEEM THE CONDEMNED.

Disrespectful...was that what you intended?

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1 Timothy 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully

If you did, I missed it. I did wonder which law/s you referred to, to say we should heed the law, law, law, with emphasis on the OT. It seems you are saying it is impossible to separate the keeping of faith from the law. However, your style of breaking into soliloquy somewhat befuddles whatever point you are trying to make.

1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

1 Timothy 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare
1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.


1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 Timothy 4:11 These things command and teach.
1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.


1 Timothy 5:9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.

1 Timothy 5:10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.


1 Timothy 5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment and some men they follow after.
1 Timothy 5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.


1 Timothy 6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness from such withdraw thyself.



1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession
1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto whom no man hath seen, nor can see to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


1 Timothy 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1 Timothy 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

What is the power of obedience?

The Law, Or Love?

i am saying i am not aware that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was promised at Sinai but the people 'lost the opportunity' because they asked for a mediator, being fearful of God.

i don't know how to be more clear than that.

that's what you said took place:

i think you're making it up because i don't see that anywhere in scripture. but if you know where scripture says that, please tell me


this does not say 'Sinai was a failure' like you said. it does not say the Spirit would have indwelt everyone if only they had not feared God at the mountain. it in fact refutes your premise, which was that the people did not receive the Holy Spirit because they listened to God through a mediator ((even tho the Spirit Himself is a mediator, John 16:13-15)). here are two men who heard God through Moses just like the rest of Israel, and the Spirit of prophecy was on them nonetheless.

did you forget that Paul said the same thing to the Corinthians? 1 Corinthians 14:5 ?
then was the cross similarly a failure?
did you forget that our Lord enfleshed is Himself is a mediator?


Hebrews 8:6 ? Hebrews 9:15 ? Hebrews 12:24 ?

has God then failed because He spoke to us through His Son?

Greetings Y,


Too often I note a sense that there is a lack of soundness underpinning many of the arguments we hear. This seems to be drifting into darker and darker recesses of obscure thought.

2Ti 1:7 KJV For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

The move of the Holy Spirit to force all things into absolute binary camps is moving at a fever pitch. Something is happening, It is quite possible that everyone is now required to stay in the camp they have chosen. No options for changing. Most people have little understanding of the degree of control God has on choice and how Grace held open options for men to "Choose Life" for a long time. As those who chose death begin to realize that the fence they were sitting on is gone and that they are on the dark side of an unscalable dividing wall they will grow desperate to justify their demise which will drive them insane.

i believe Jesus Christ is God being found in the form of a man. that He gave His life - no man takes it from Him - and took it up again, and that no one who puts their trust in Him will be ashamed, even if they die, they will live. i believe He is the mediator and guarantor of a new covenant, saying whoever is thirsty, come, drink of the water of life. having believed, i have died with Him, to be raised with Him, so that the things that were shadows are revealed as such by the substance. i believe the entirety of the law and the prophets are a type of Him, His person and work, and that if anyone does not see Him testified of in it, they do not understand it. i believe it is infinite, as He is infinite, and that one day He will return and we shall be made like Him, and see Him face to face. i believe there is no temple in the city there, because the Lamb Himself is its temple. i believe He has constrained all under sin so that He may show mercy to all, and that it is not by human effort, desire or will but He who has mercy and shows it to whom He will and hardens who He will, so that He may be all in all, and that all things are for His glory.

no one but Him is worthy to open the scroll. He will do all His will. He begins and He finishes. He is who has promised, and He is faithful: He will do it. i am clay in His hands, and i adore Him