Is Joseph the Father Of Christ According To The Flesh That was Promised to David?
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BillG,
Please do us a favor.
When you repost someone else to quote them, please do something to make it easier for us to tell which words are theirs.
Please either use the replay button to quote them, or at least put their words in a different color or something.
If someone says something really racist, and you quote them without setting their quote off in some way... it's going to look to everyone like YOU are making racist remarks.
If I'm doing a very short quote from someone, sometimes I just set their words off in a different color.
Please remember, people around here usually SKIM over things quickly; they don't read closely.
I don't want people to see you reposting horrible stuff, and think it was YOU who said it.
God Bless
Please do us a favor.
When you repost someone else to quote them, please do something to make it easier for us to tell which words are theirs.
Please either use the replay button to quote them, or at least put their words in a different color or something.
If someone says something really racist, and you quote them without setting their quote off in some way... it's going to look to everyone like YOU are making racist remarks.
If I'm doing a very short quote from someone, sometimes I just set their words off in a different color.
Please remember, people around here usually SKIM over things quickly; they don't read closely.
I don't want people to see you reposting horrible stuff, and think it was YOU who said it.
God Bless
Hi maxwell.
If I could have a I would have.
For some reason I cannot insert a quote.
So my posts concerning what was said in another thread.
I highlighted and pressed copy.
Came back to this thread but cannot paste it into the quote option.
I appreciate your concern that it was something I was posting but I did say "He posted"
And I said "I responded"
Got no idea why the ability to use the bar to do stuff is greyed out on my iPad So I can reply to what you said above because it's on this thread.
And I thank you for saying what you said.
If I could have a I would have.
For some reason I cannot insert a quote.
So my posts concerning what was said in another thread.
I highlighted and pressed copy.
Came back to this thread but cannot paste it into the quote option.
I appreciate your concern that it was something I was posting but I did say "He posted"
And I said "I responded"
Got no idea why the ability to use the bar to do stuff is greyed out on my iPad So I can reply to what you said above because it's on this thread.
And I thank you for saying what you said.
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All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!
There is no such thing as Black Hebrew Israelites.
Hebrews are people of color in scriptures. They are always compare to Egyptians who are Africans in scripture.
The real Jews:
In Deuteronomy there are blessings and curses that Ahayah set before his people the Children of Israel if they were obedient or disobedient. First came the blessings, then the curses, as we know they were disobedient and were cursed. All of those were put upon them for a sign of who they are and that’s the only way you know who they are.
So do a comparison and see who all of those curses fit!
In 70 AD the Children of Israel was told by Christ to flee Jerusalem and go over the mountains which led into Africa Egypt:
These scriptures explain:
Luke 21:20 And when yee shall see Hierusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Iudea, flee to the mountaines, and let them which are in the midst of it, depart out, and let not them that are in the countreys, enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the dayes of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 But woe vnto them that are with childe, and to them that giue sucke in those dayes, for there shalbe great distresse in the land, and wrath vpon this people.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall bee led away captiue into all nations, and Hierusalem shall be troden downe of the Gentiles, vntill the times of the Gentiles bee fulfilled.
What white jewish people ran into Africa Egypt a Black Country to hide out there.
Doesn’t make sense.
The Children of Israel then settled in the West coasts of Africa where they were taken into slaveships to serve in captivity to be sold as slaves.
Ancient African maps of 14, 15, 16, 1700’s
shows and confirms a place called Negroeland in Africa that the Children of Israel settled on. In Africa might I remind you again.
Also I see no images of white jewish people on those slaveships anywhere.
This is not racist this is truth.
The holocaust is not an event that happened to the Children of Israel.
If so it would’ve been in the scriptures.
Show me in scripture the flight of the white jewish people to Africa as I just showed you us Hebrews.
There is no such thing as Black Hebrew Israelites.
Hebrews are people of color in scriptures. They are always compare to Egyptians who are Africans in scripture.
The real Jews:
In Deuteronomy there are blessings and curses that Ahayah set before his people the Children of Israel if they were obedient or disobedient. First came the blessings, then the curses, as we know they were disobedient and were cursed. All of those were put upon them for a sign of who they are and that’s the only way you know who they are.
So do a comparison and see who all of those curses fit!
In 70 AD the Children of Israel was told by Christ to flee Jerusalem and go over the mountains which led into Africa Egypt:
These scriptures explain:
Luke 21:20 And when yee shall see Hierusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Iudea, flee to the mountaines, and let them which are in the midst of it, depart out, and let not them that are in the countreys, enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the dayes of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 But woe vnto them that are with childe, and to them that giue sucke in those dayes, for there shalbe great distresse in the land, and wrath vpon this people.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall bee led away captiue into all nations, and Hierusalem shall be troden downe of the Gentiles, vntill the times of the Gentiles bee fulfilled.
What white jewish people ran into Africa Egypt a Black Country to hide out there.
Doesn’t make sense.
The Children of Israel then settled in the West coasts of Africa where they were taken into slaveships to serve in captivity to be sold as slaves.
Ancient African maps of 14, 15, 16, 1700’s
shows and confirms a place called Negroeland in Africa that the Children of Israel settled on. In Africa might I remind you again.
Also I see no images of white jewish people on those slaveships anywhere.
This is not racist this is truth.
The holocaust is not an event that happened to the Children of Israel.
If so it would’ve been in the scriptures.
Show me in scripture the flight of the white jewish people to Africa as I just showed you us Hebrews.
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Note to readers:
1. If anyone is unfamiliar with this sect, or with these issues, this stuff may seem confusing.
2. If you haven't studied the Bible, or history, at all, ever, ever... this stuff may even sound compelling... maybe. I guess it's possible.
3. The reality is, just this ONE SOLITARY POST contains SO MANY factual and logical errors, that it's nearly impossible to even address them all.
4. There are errors which are biblical, historical, theological, logical, linguistic and grammatical... it's just a virtually endless string of made-up history, logic errors, and silly Bible interpretation that violates all principles of hermeneutics.
5. There are probably few scholars who have written anything addressing the Black Hebrew Israelites.
Why?
It's because the entire topic is too silly for real scholars to even address.
It's just silly.
6. If you have concerns or confusion, you can probably find information online by just doing some searches, and looking on apologetics sites.
7. But as far as me personally answering all the issues - the OP quite literally made so many historical, logical, and biblical errors in just one post, that just answering this one post could take me all day.
It's that's bad.
Maybe we can just find some apologetics videos to post, so we don't have to waste so much time.
The moon is made of cheese:
If someone says the moon is made of cheese, and challenges me to prove that it's not... ok, I can do that.
But I'm going to waste ALL DAY explaining a HUGE AMOUNT of basic science, logic, and history to someone who isn't even listening.
And that's what this conversation is like.
It is like talking to someone who thinks the moon is made of cheese.
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15 And Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael.
16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
Genesis 16:
23 Then Abraham took Ishmael his son and all those born in his house or bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very day, as God had said to him.
Genesis 17:23
8 So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father,
9 Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son,
the sister of Nebaioth.
Genesis 28:
Issac and Ishmael - half-brothers that dwell next to each other -
Genesis 16:12 He [Ishmael] shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
Genesis 16:
23 Then Abraham took Ishmael his son and all those born in his house or bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very day, as God had said to him.
Genesis 17:23
8 So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father,
9 Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son,
the sister of Nebaioth.
Genesis 28:
Issac and Ishmael - half-brothers that dwell next to each other -
Genesis 16:12 He [Ishmael] shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him,
and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
Is Joseph the biological father of Jesus? Not according to scripture:
Luk_2:49 And he said unto them (Joseph and Mary), How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Is Joseph one of the 'parents' of Jesus? Yes, according to scripture:
Luk_2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
Luk_2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
That makes Joseph the step-father and caretaker of Jesus as a child, by marriage (legally, according to the Angel Gabriel) to Mary.:
Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord (Garbiel) appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou (Joseph) shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The "father" names the child. and thus, Joseph the step-father (parent) and husband to Mary, obeys, and names the child Jesus.
Luk_2:49 And he said unto them (Joseph and Mary), How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Is Joseph one of the 'parents' of Jesus? Yes, according to scripture:
Luk_2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
Luk_2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
That makes Joseph the step-father and caretaker of Jesus as a child, by marriage (legally, according to the Angel Gabriel) to Mary.:
Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord (Garbiel) appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou (Joseph) shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The "father" names the child. and thus, Joseph the step-father (parent) and husband to Mary, obeys, and names the child Jesus.
There is not a single KJB (AV1611) text which says 'first created' in English, neither in the Masoretic Hebrew, the Syriac, koine Greek of the GNT TR.
Revelation 3:14 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
Colossians 1:15-20 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
Proverbs 8:22-36 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
What you presently teach is an old heresy.
If you want to consider those passages in English of the KJB (AV1611) or their original languages, I would be glad to show you, line upon line, what they do say and teach.
Jesus in several places in scripture, from OT to NT, declares Himself to be "I AM", which means the eternally existing.
Revelation 3:14 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
Colossians 1:15-20 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
Proverbs 8:22-36 doesn't say or teach 'first created' either. You would have to change the text to make it say it.
What you presently teach is an old heresy.
If you want to consider those passages in English of the KJB (AV1611) or their original languages, I would be glad to show you, line upon line, what they do say and teach.
Jesus in several places in scripture, from OT to NT, declares Himself to be "I AM", which means the eternally existing.
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David to Mary & Joseph to King Jesus
Joseph was descended from David from Solomon. While Mary was a descendant of Solomon’s older brother Nathan.
Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate. (See Numbers 36:6-9)
She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.
Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel. (Jeremiah 22:28-30)
Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.
Thus, because of the virgin birth, Jesus became the only one in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.
There are two recorded lineages of Jesus. One from Mary & another from Joseph. Thus, Jesus became Joseph’s actual son via ADOPTION. Old testament adoption gives the child complete equality & all the benefits of a natural born child.
A simpler way to explain it:
Jesus differing genealogies are a result of Matthew's account being Mary's line, and Luke's being Joseph's line
Matthew is about Messiah as King. Luke is about Messiah as the son of man.
Joseph was descended from David from Solomon. While Mary was a descendant of Solomon’s older brother Nathan.
Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate. (See Numbers 36:6-9)
She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.
Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel. (Jeremiah 22:28-30)
Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.
Thus, because of the virgin birth, Jesus became the only one in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.
There are two recorded lineages of Jesus. One from Mary & another from Joseph. Thus, Jesus became Joseph’s actual son via ADOPTION. Old testament adoption gives the child complete equality & all the benefits of a natural born child.
A simpler way to explain it:
Jesus differing genealogies are a result of Matthew's account being Mary's line, and Luke's being Joseph's line
Matthew is about Messiah as King. Luke is about Messiah as the son of man.
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All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!
Here’s are some simple questions?
Christ is said to be the son of man.
Doesn’t say Woman.
So I ask what man?
Also Where is Christ called the son of the Holy Ghost as scripture says He’s the son of man?
As I asked before where is the name Holy Ghost in the genealogy linage of Christ from David to Joseph in scripture
If the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary?
Rightly divide the word.
Not what you want it to mean.
Here’s are some simple questions?
Christ is said to be the son of man.
Doesn’t say Woman.
So I ask what man?
Also Where is Christ called the son of the Holy Ghost as scripture says He’s the son of man?
As I asked before where is the name Holy Ghost in the genealogy linage of Christ from David to Joseph in scripture
If the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary?
Rightly divide the word.
Not what you want it to mean.