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Amen. I agree with this. I noticed some with a gnostic attitude, regard themselves as perfect with
a sinful flesh, so no possibility of walking cleansed and purified, so put up with your life and approach.
One member even wrote they would put on a good effort for non-believers to appear better, but only
for show. For me this was a staggering admitance of unbelief and spiritual bankcruptcy. It matters
when we deny we can walk a Holy life, with stumbles and falls, but that is our calling.
While on earth we are not immortal, and have forgiveness while we grow and mature.
I wonder if in eternity, the more we learn here the more whole we are with the Lord.
Is it possible some will be in heaven weak, deformed, limited because so little was preserved?
Some speak quickly of rewards like we are the same, while on earth we certainly are not in ability.
And the price we are talking could be more substantial than a bigger house.
I am not buddist at all, where you get a different life form, but care should be taken, because the
Lord has not revealed much, but is the Lord of ultimate justice.
a sinful flesh, so no possibility of walking cleansed and purified, so put up with your life and approach.
One member even wrote they would put on a good effort for non-believers to appear better, but only
for show. For me this was a staggering admitance of unbelief and spiritual bankcruptcy. It matters
when we deny we can walk a Holy life, with stumbles and falls, but that is our calling.
While on earth we are not immortal, and have forgiveness while we grow and mature.
I wonder if in eternity, the more we learn here the more whole we are with the Lord.
Is it possible some will be in heaven weak, deformed, limited because so little was preserved?
Some speak quickly of rewards like we are the same, while on earth we certainly are not in ability.
And the price we are talking could be more substantial than a bigger house.
I am not buddist at all, where you get a different life form, but care should be taken, because the
Lord has not revealed much, but is the Lord of ultimate justice.
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Maybe they are speaking of the definition of sin follow, rather than actions? In our humanity we miss the mark of God or fall short of His perfection. But, Positionally, we are declared the righteousness of God IN Christ Jesus.
Sin would come from the lust of the eyes, flesh, or pride of life. Is that correct?
We all have besetting sins that trip us up. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of testimony. How? 😇
Sin would come from the lust of the eyes, flesh, or pride of life. Is that correct?
We all have besetting sins that trip us up. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of testimony. How? 😇
Revelation 3:5 - "He who overcomes I will never blot out his name from the book of life." The "overcomer" mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Believer/Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. Certain people read Revelation 3:5 as if God’s pen is poised and ready to strike out the name of any Christian who does not overcome every possible struggle in life that there is to overcome. They read into it like this: "If you don't overcome every struggle in life and win the victory through sinless perfection, then you’re going to lose your salvation! But that is NOT what the verse says. Jesus is giving a promise here, not a warning. Salvation is by grace through faith and is not based on the merits of our performance. Only genuine believers are victorious and will receive eternal life through faith. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
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*CONTEXT.* In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no resulting evidential works (to substantiate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.
*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!
James 2:17 is talking about an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works".
In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith (which is like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree) or that works are the source of life in faith or that we are saved by works. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it’s dead. If someone says-claims they have faith but lack resulting evidential works, then they has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.
*So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!
James 2:17 is talking about an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works".
In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith (which is like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree) or that works are the source of life in faith or that we are saved by works. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it’s dead. If someone says-claims they have faith but lack resulting evidential works, then they has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.
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Doeth no sin (amartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in verse John 4 like amartanei in verse John 8 . The child of God does not have the habit of sin. His seed (sperma autou). God's seed, "the divine principle of life" (Vincent). Cf. John 1 . And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai amartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means "and he cannot commit sin" as if it were kai ou dunatai amartein or amarthsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive amartanein can only mean "and he cannot go on sinning," as is true of amartanei in verse John 8 and amartanwn in verse John 6 . For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see amarthte and amarth in John 2:1 . A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of amartanein here. Paul has precisely John's idea in Romans 6:1 epimenwmen th amartiai (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with amarthswmen in Romans 6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive). - https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/1-john/1-john-3-9.html
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We all have besetting sins? Really.
We all condemn ourselves and are blind to more obvious issues.
We also find it very difficult to not let emotional hurt become true sinful action, and to not
let love and generosity flow, when there is opportunity.
Speaking in generalities often leads to excuses. Saul was told by the Lord to execute a King.
He rationalised his men did not like the idea, and what would it hurt to be nice.
So goes the heart of sinful man to walk in his own understanding and not submit to clear commands.
So an over sensitive perfectionist feels condemned not cleaning the table immediately after a mean,
while a believer lost in sin, has no problems with theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy, joking, false
witness against others. But once the general, it does not matter, both feel justified, while one is
over the top the other is definately not walking in the Lord.
Until you know people and their true lifestyle and heart, it is sinful to allow rebellion and sin
to go unchallenged.
On this forum going from brother you have an unusual theological view, to you are doomed to hell
and not a believer at all, is a big jump, absurd in the extreme. But some are happy to do this like
blinking. Maybe they do not see this is equivalent to murdering someone, literally. Imagine your
words are the Lords, it is eternally taking away any hope they have in Christ.
It is odd that those who say these words claim to be so secure in Christ they could not live without
this security, yet are prepared to use this same insecurity like a weapon. I hope you can see the emotional
hypocrisy involved and simple lack of care.
When Jesus talked about the rulers of Israel, people literally were executed at their word, murdered,
put in prison, abused through the temple police. So it was not a spiritual accusation, it was literal sin
they were guilty of. But here, on these forums, strangers will be accused of being worse than murderers
for three lines of sharing their love of Jesus. This is simply spiritually blind and unjust behaviour, yet
those who speak like this claim the highest authority, which they cannot show in scripture, yet will heap
abuse and emotional statements of lack of intelligence etc. inappropriately.
The only people I know who behave like this do not have a loving heart, shown by the impact of such actions
and their meaning. I cannot get over meeting the Lord being called meeting the enemy. Or loving from the
heart being called hate. I truly am broken by such insanity and animosity for no end, only judgement.
God help such souls, for such hardness leads to real blasphemy and lostness. Truly we mourn for such as these.
God bless you.
We all condemn ourselves and are blind to more obvious issues.
We also find it very difficult to not let emotional hurt become true sinful action, and to not
let love and generosity flow, when there is opportunity.
Speaking in generalities often leads to excuses. Saul was told by the Lord to execute a King.
He rationalised his men did not like the idea, and what would it hurt to be nice.
So goes the heart of sinful man to walk in his own understanding and not submit to clear commands.
So an over sensitive perfectionist feels condemned not cleaning the table immediately after a mean,
while a believer lost in sin, has no problems with theft, sexual immorality, blasphemy, joking, false
witness against others. But once the general, it does not matter, both feel justified, while one is
over the top the other is definately not walking in the Lord.
Until you know people and their true lifestyle and heart, it is sinful to allow rebellion and sin
to go unchallenged.
On this forum going from brother you have an unusual theological view, to you are doomed to hell
and not a believer at all, is a big jump, absurd in the extreme. But some are happy to do this like
blinking. Maybe they do not see this is equivalent to murdering someone, literally. Imagine your
words are the Lords, it is eternally taking away any hope they have in Christ.
It is odd that those who say these words claim to be so secure in Christ they could not live without
this security, yet are prepared to use this same insecurity like a weapon. I hope you can see the emotional
hypocrisy involved and simple lack of care.
When Jesus talked about the rulers of Israel, people literally were executed at their word, murdered,
put in prison, abused through the temple police. So it was not a spiritual accusation, it was literal sin
they were guilty of. But here, on these forums, strangers will be accused of being worse than murderers
for three lines of sharing their love of Jesus. This is simply spiritually blind and unjust behaviour, yet
those who speak like this claim the highest authority, which they cannot show in scripture, yet will heap
abuse and emotional statements of lack of intelligence etc. inappropriately.
The only people I know who behave like this do not have a loving heart, shown by the impact of such actions
and their meaning. I cannot get over meeting the Lord being called meeting the enemy. Or loving from the
heart being called hate. I truly am broken by such insanity and animosity for no end, only judgement.
God help such souls, for such hardness leads to real blasphemy and lostness. Truly we mourn for such as these.
God bless you.
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He that believes on JESUS has done the works of the Heavenly Father
and you can forget posting out of context scripture to me pal......the bible is clear....saved entirely by faith....anything beyond that is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ.....
and you can forget posting out of context scripture to me pal......the bible is clear....saved entirely by faith....anything beyond that is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses in Christ.....
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Funnily what is in dc's quote is passive faith not working faith that saves.
Anyone who does not know the difference does not know Jesus.
The bible is all about God acting, He has never been passive, so to be His child and to be passive,
is like an antelope having a slough as its child, not happening.
God chooses and sows good seed in good soil. False teaching, false teachers do not change.
I wonder if by declaring ones position one seals ones fate. I suspect our hearts convince us the
road we are walking is right, and God is not going to change this, rather we will just get more
convinced we are right only seeing those things that support our cause and ignoring all the
other information that says the opposite.
It suggests brothers and sisters in Christ our mission is to those yet to declare, and join the
elect, no one else. God bless you in Him, Amen.
Anyone who does not know the difference does not know Jesus.
The bible is all about God acting, He has never been passive, so to be His child and to be passive,
is like an antelope having a slough as its child, not happening.
God chooses and sows good seed in good soil. False teaching, false teachers do not change.
I wonder if by declaring ones position one seals ones fate. I suspect our hearts convince us the
road we are walking is right, and God is not going to change this, rather we will just get more
convinced we are right only seeing those things that support our cause and ignoring all the
other information that says the opposite.
It suggests brothers and sisters in Christ our mission is to those yet to declare, and join the
elect, no one else. God bless you in Him, Amen.
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AMEN brother......every deceiver I have met tap dances around the truth like Shirley Temple on a stage.....No honesty, no contextual integrity, rejects verbiage, context, definitions etc......it is obvious this dude is either a previously banned working for salvation loser or just a new one in a long line of deceivers.......
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You know....she names him Isaac which means laughter in Hebrew........it is possible that their laughter was actually joy.......and even though sometimes doubt comes across as disbelief.....it is not always the case........for example....
The three young Hebrew boys.....WE do not know if our God will deliver us or not, but one thing we do know is that we will not bow down to the image.....
Abraham and Sarah had the same "style" of response......She was past bearing age and Abraham was old as well......Imagine telling a 95-99 year old that your gonna get your wife which has already passed menopause pregnant......they would laugh as well and then wonder HOW can that be possible.....
The three young Hebrew boys.....WE do not know if our God will deliver us or not, but one thing we do know is that we will not bow down to the image.....
Abraham and Sarah had the same "style" of response......She was past bearing age and Abraham was old as well......Imagine telling a 95-99 year old that your gonna get your wife which has already passed menopause pregnant......they would laugh as well and then wonder HOW can that be possible.....
AMEN.....JESUS, while on this earth with saved, immersed disciples and Apostles said there are NONE good, but GOD......and Solomon said while saved men, priests, prophets were on the planet...There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not.
These NON sinning, self saving salvation losers are a dime a dozen....and as deceived as the left wing news agencies......
These NON sinning, self saving salvation losers are a dime a dozen....and as deceived as the left wing news agencies......
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I have no problem answering this.....
YES he is and it does not matter who believes it or not......
HE is the GOD of gods, the KING of kings, the savior of the whole word, the MESSIAH, IMMANUEL, the great I AM, the CREATOR and SUSTAINER of ALL life, the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YESHUA, THE GOOD SHEPHERD, the TRUE and LIVING WAY literally........
YES he is and it does not matter who believes it or not......
HE is the GOD of gods, the KING of kings, the savior of the whole word, the MESSIAH, IMMANUEL, the great I AM, the CREATOR and SUSTAINER of ALL life, the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YESHUA, THE GOOD SHEPHERD, the TRUE and LIVING WAY literally........
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