How do you get around this??

With every belief there is a disbelief, you don't take a little bit of this a scoop of that and a pinch of that and make it truth.

Example .....There is only one God .....in believing that (which I know we do ) we disbelieve any other gods exist.

Case in point Jesus Christ is exclusive, he alone has made us worthy and excepted, he alone bore our sins and endured the wrath of God for us. He alone is the savior, the only begotten of the father. He alone is holy and remains holy.
The only way we can remotely be as he is is to be born again and in him.
Paul said very clearly ....we are not ...we are not .....appointed to wrath. Scriptures tell us who are the children of wrath.
At the return of Christ the nation's mourn there is none that rejoice.( Wouldn't you think the church would rejoice). Where is it?
If you are post trib and survive the trib which by the way is the wrath of God for the wicked then the exclusiveness of Christ has been compromised.
Christ being bridle high in blood does not paint a picture of blessing. He alone battles as he did in the old testament .
The wrath of God poured out on the Earth as never before punishment for the wicked.
It's something to fear not something to look forward to. Why??? Because if you are to experience this something went wrong in your walk, something was not right, and it wasn't the promises of God.

I'm with you I can't tell if he agrees or disagrees with me but my particular point was if you have your relationship built with God and trust Him He will get you through to the end no matter when Jesus comes. I'm not saying that we are to keep status quo....but to continue to help lead people to Jesus which is what I meant about being about our Father's business.

I am like you Darlene, whatever happens Jesus can preserve us. Even while God is pouring His wrath out on the world, we are still safely in His hands. If He chooses me to die for His cause, what an honor that would be. I hope only to stand strong in the face of adversity with the His help. View attachment 202377

Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. b 30And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows." NIV

If Christian not there, then there isn't target for persecution.

There will be Tribulation saints -- primarily Jewish converts. After all Moses and Elijah will be on earth preaching Christ (Rev 11). They too will be killed, and all who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast will be beheaded (Rev 13 & 20).

At the same time, you should understand that the Church (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles) will be raptured BEFORE the Tribulation since the Holy Spirit must be "taken out of the way" BEFORE the Antichrist takes total control of the world. In any event the Tribulation is not designed for the Church but for unbelieving Jews -- it is the time of Jacob's trouble.

What are the raptured people going to be during the seven year tribulation?

What are the raptured people going to be during the seven year tribulation?

Surrounding the throne of God and praising Him with the angels in Heaven.

REVELATION 5

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to EVERY MAN the measure of faith.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

I just can't understand to what profit it is for someone in the knowing or discerning of tribulation, or rapture?
And, the spending of so much time and energy concerning it.
Are these not profane and vain babblings?

Luke 12:20 - But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee

There are plenty who will see their rapture come waaaaaaaaaay before the 7 years even begins.

Maybe even tonight!

Sounds good, but that is totally misleading.

The pre-tribulation Resurrection/Rapture is a Bible doctrine. It was first given by Christ Himself. And it has tremendous significance in God's plan of salvation.

I disagree, my view on this has changed a few times, all while I was saved. How does ones end times view have "tremendous significance" in God's plan of salvation? I don't believe that at all. I believe Jesus telling about the coming judgement, was just that, and it was coming to judge the covenant breakers at the end of the "AGE", and this happen when He took His temple off the earth. The judgement Jesus said would happen before the people there died, in the time frame He told the Disciples before they made it through the cities.
I believe He was right and I'm not to look to the building of Hid kingdom, not "waiting" to get sucked out of my underwear.

Grea

What are the raptured people going to be during the seven year tribulation?

Many of us believe in mid trib., rapture and we will be here resisting and or avoiding the forces of the antichrist until the rapture.

I believe the "wrath" STARTS when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13 / Rev4-5), when He Himself opens the FIRST SEAL at the START of the 7-yr period (the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period spoken of in Rev1:1[4:1/1:19c(7:3)] and Lk18:8[/17:26-37] and also Rom16:20 (<--but this verse referring to US, "the Church which is His body," doing the 1Cor6:3[14] thing in/from a distinct location from where the other two passages' contexts will unfold/play out "on the earth"--one of the reasons for our "Rapture/Departure" [IN THE AIR])

Okay, I understand your point, but we should endeavor to use the proper biblical wording, instead of mis-applying certain biblical words (as you have here. No offense. But this does create confusion out there, so I do believe it should be addressed).

"Rapture" (the word in scripture, in 1Th4:17, translated in the kjv as "caught up") is used (in such a context) with regard to the following:

--pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints);

--takes place at ONLY *ONE* point in time;

--consists only of "the dead IN Christ" AND the "we which are alive and remain unto" (both having been "changed" into our glorified bodies), caught up together "AS ONE" (the passage says)

--is "OUR [the Church which is His body's] episynagoges [noun-event] UNTO HIM" [the meeting [noun] of the Lord... 'IN THE AIR']



What you are referring to instead is the "absent from the body" (though "present with the Lord") point in time, upon our "death" (that is, of the believer)