Not By Works

Is there a difference between the two above mentioned in your thoughts?
Why unfortunately?

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I preach His saving grace through faith, and condemn works salvationists. If you deem me an enemy, then you deem Jesus Christ your enemy. Buy your own words you are condemned.

Please let me know where I said I didn't love His Grace.

You’re Catholic? That explains everything.

No, I have never been part of that church or agreed with its basic positions.
I do though sympathise with aspirations of monks and teachers of the past who have been associated
with the church. It is hard not to, as most of our bible and traditions have come through this means.

Salvation is free. The work was done by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He offers, we accept. Why do some try and make this into a complicated configuration? Simplicity. Christ did it all. Our only part is to Accept.

GRACE FROM GOD = Receiving from GOD that which DO NOT DESERVE, or you can NEVER EARN or WORK FOR.

MERCY FROM GOD = NOT Receiving from GOD that which you justly DESERVE.

I think I know what you mean and I am not arguing the concept; except I think your word choice is poor -- I would say our part is to believe.

For me at least, "believe" has a very different feel than "accept."

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the LORD Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household

To me "accept" is like the brush salesman who comes to your house to sell you a broom. You don't need it but you buy one (accept) basically just to make him feel good and get him off your back.

To me "believe" is like the person dying (drowning) who grabs hold of the rope thrown out to save him.

Thank you, for pointing that out for us all again.

May sound like a bit of a weird question, asked many times in Christian circles (note I'm not asking you this)

Have you accepted Jesus and made him Lord of your life?
If so why so?

If I look at the analogy you give above and it may sound crass and not meant to be.
So just a note I'm not trying to be offensive here.

But is not the salesman the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said he must return to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin, that sin being the the sin of unbelief in Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit knocks on the door of our hearts we accept that we have unbelief and come faith.

When we do that then we accept the fact that salvation is a free gift.

I think there is a difference between believing in Jesus and on Jesus.
Believe on Jesus saves us.

Acts 16:31
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Believing in Jesus as a result we seek to walk like he asked to.

I think I know what you mean and I am not arguing the concept; except I think your word choice is poor -- I would say our part is to believe.

For me at least, "believe" has a very different feel than "accept."

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the LORD Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household

I think I know what you mean and I am not arguing the concept; except I think your word choice is poor -- I would say our part is to believe.

For me at least, "believe" has a very different feel than "accept."

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the LORD Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household

I believe there is evidence found throughout scripture that proves that the only one lost of the four is the first one.....the bible supports the following truths....

Some saved produce an abundant amount of good fruit
Some saved are worldly and even though they are believers produce stunted fruit that is small in size and amount
Some saved are immature and due to immaturity are easily offended and fall away while producing little if any fruit

JESUS speaks to all three above and even NATURE teaches this truth, gardens prove this truth, trees prove this truth

The churches are filled with people that are faithful, worldly, carnal, immature and EVER gambit of fruit can be found and even those who are saved so as by fire with NOTHING but faith into Christ....

one final word...

The IMMEDIATELY with JOY receive the word <----the word RECEIVE is the SAME word used in JOHN 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name

I truly hope you are correct. My problem with that is the parable is clear in stating that ONLY the good soil produced fruit.

Furthermore, where do you fit the seed that fell on hard ground? Definitely no fruit there.

Philipians 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Philipians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Philipians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Philipians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philipians 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Philipians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Philipians 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Philipians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Philipians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Philipians 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Philipians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.


Philipians 3:18 For many walk of whom I have told you often and now tell you even weeping that they are enemies of the cross of Christ
Philipians 3:19 Whose end is destruction whose God is their belly and whose glory is in their shame who mind earthly things.

If you believe Three of the Soils, have the potential to produce the some GOOD FRUIT. How do you square that with these verses, that is YET ANOTHER Verses of Scripture that is and ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUTH, that gives us the percentages:


Matthew 7:13-14 (CSBBible)
13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction [hades/hell, Mat. 10:28],
and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.


The only way you can have the Parable of the Gates in total agreement with the Parable of the Sower, is to have three of the SOILS that do not produce any good FRUIT. Otherwise you create by your interpretation, a major contradiction.

Now you are conflating two truths into one....HOW to be saved with bearing fruit.....NOT good man.....

Now you are conflating two truths into one....HOW to be saved with bearing fruit.....NOT good man.....

Now you are conflating two truths into one....HOW to be saved with bearing fruit.....NOT good man.....