The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

You could at least be honest about what I said: "The Word clearly says it must be done and is part of salvation. And only God has the answer whether circumstances that make it impossible change anything."

The instructions given that the NT church was required to follow were given after the Holy Ghost was received in the upper room. The thief died well before the commands were given.

No individual church denomination or anyone's personal opinion matters. The ultimate authority is God's Word.

If baptism is necessary as some preach, he will go to hell.

Seems the false teachers out number those who teach the truth.

Give me all the verses you have that water baptism is a "MUST" in order to be saved? Go ahead, I'll wait.

But false teaching, even it is from not understand, does not bring glory to God. Quite the opposite.
I really dislike being on this forum. I only continue so as to speak against those who teach a false Gospel.
Seems the false teachers out number those who teach the truth.

If a person puts their faith or trust in Jesus Christ for salvation and it is impossible for them to get water baptized are they lost to hell? I ask this same question to wansvic and I'm wondering why she did not answer, so what do you say? Yes of no?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

This morning the following scripture popped into my mind and I could not help but wonder whether it gives insight to the question you asked.

The story below concerns one's physical healing but I believe it speaks of a deeper truth as well. The instructions given were that when the angel troubled the water, the first to get in the pool would be healed. A man wanted to get into the water but was unable.

The story makes it obvious that the man believed the message and understood the instructions that had to be followed in order for one to be healed but his infirmity hindered his ability to comply. Jesus knew the man's heart and healed him.

John 5:2-9
Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.

Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked:

Good morning wansvic. I noticed that you stopped at vs9 of John 5 and did not include the last sentence which says, "Now it was the Sabbath on that day." These words begin to explain the purpose of what Jesus was doing. Vs10, "Therefore the Jews were saying to him who wascured, "It was the Sabbath, anbd it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."

If you read the rest of the context Jesus was making the point that He as the Son of God does not act independently of His Father, vs19. Look at what Jesus says at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because (or why wansvic?) He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

Then, as I said at vs19 Jesus explains His mission. In other words, the Father is giving Jesus His blessing as to His true identity. Why would the Jews want to kill Jesus for claiming that God was His own Father? I say this because the Jews themselves claim that God is their Father as well?

Also, look at what Luke 2:49 states, "And He said to them, (that is Mary and Joseph His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I HAD TO BE ABOUT MY FATHER'S BUSINESS/AFFAIRS?" Even at age 12 Jesus was calling God the Father His own Father.

Now, I know what I'm about to say next you will not like but facts are facts. Since your church teaches that Jesus Christ is God the Father how then do you explain the distinction of "persons" between the Jesus Christ the Son and Jesus Christ at the same time being God the Father? This is what you guys teach and I'm not making this up.

You cannot continue to "whistle in the dark hoping the dark goes away" regarding these heretical beliefs no matter how much you don't like hearing it. This stuff is "REAL" and will not go away. When I was a young man of 22 I went to Vietnam in January of 1968 and was there two weeks and the Tet offensive started. It was absolutely horrible and at the same time it was in a way beautiful watching (especially at nigh)t the tracers of the bullets and the rockets every single night at 2:00am for two weeks straight like the fourth of July. It "DID NOT SEEM REAL." It was like a dream and your saying to yourself, "this can't be happening." Reality finally sets in and your saying to yourself, "people are "REALLY" trying to kill you." Since that time I thank the Lord daily that I'm able to wake up not only to "breath" but to serve Him for getting me out of that mess.

In short, people need to take God seriously because it has eternal consequences and saying things like, "these are only little errors and don't really matter" or "God can handle everything and bring everybody through, just love one another and it will be alright." Think!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Since you said this: "The Word clearly says it must be done and is part of salvation." Give me all the verses you have that water baptism is a "MUST" in order to be saved? Go ahead, I'll wait.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You can do a search of the scriptures yourself they are there. Or, just check out waggles response.

Sadly you missed my point. I stated that the story was about something other than salvation but it did however speak of a deeper truth.
Jesus knew the man's heart and healed him because it was impossible for him to get to the water.

I don't believe Waggles is saying that water baptism is essential for salvation. Indeed none of the Scriptures quoted teach that false doctrine. But you still have not backed off from this nonsense from what I can see.

I'm pretty sure waggles does teach that is essential to salvation.

I don't believe Waggles is saying that water baptism is essential for salvation. Indeed none of the Scriptures quoted teach that false doctrine.

...but God and the scriptures certainly do preach this.

1. PETER PREACHED THE GOSPEL
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Laugh out loud
the epistles are written to the saints of the Pentecostal Churches of the first century Roman world wherein ALL disciples
believed and obeyed Acts 2:38
and wherein ALL disciples were baptised by full immersion and ALL disciples where baptized in the Holy Spirit and yes ALL
disciples could pray in tongues.
These are to whom the epistles are written - NOT the Roman Catholics, nor Protestants, neither Orthodox and certainly not
for today's U.S. versions of Christianity.

And as a side note, I suggest you read Acts 18_24-28, the story of Apollos and tell us all here why he had to be explained the way of God more accurately? Verses 25,26?

4. WATER BAPTISM WAS NECESSARY AFTER SALVATION
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?