Not By Works

If I did good things to be saved, that is not a bad thing.
Salvation is life, the continuation eternally of life. Good things are good, in and of themselves, they are also life.
Putting the two together is not wrong or evil.

But I do God's will because I love it and I trust Him, and I know His will is love and justice.
It also happens to be the kingdom of God and salvation.

So where is the losing of salvation? To lose salvation I would have to do evil and walk away from God, which
is self destruction, hurt, pain and unbelievably stupid going on knowing what life is, I do not want to do this.

All your other outworkings and words just do not enter my mind. They come from not seeing God or what
salvation, love and righteousness is.

The odd lie is to say I follow God because I am scared of not following God.
Do you see how nuts that sounds?

It comes from the world that says Gods ways are impossible and we are so bound to sin it is delusion
to believe God could love us and free us. But that is just unbelief in the cross and His word.
God bless you

The HOPE of eternal life, which God, who CAN NOT LIE, promised before time began. (The apostle paul)


They do not believe you have eternal life, they preach conditional life, it is they who have no hope.. Our hope is in Gods promises, not in our own righteousness

Matthew 7:21-23 frightened me to the core. One day I met with my pastor and shared my fear with him. He smiled and enlightened me to the glorious truth that because I worried about it meant that I actually had nothing to worry about. God knows my heart (our hearts) and His grace is sufficient. ❤️🙏

You oppose it because you deem your works are necessary to maintain salvation.

Hi Smooth,

I could empathise with this logic, but it is simply nonsense.
God has made me His child, filled me with the Holy Spirit and guides my path in His ways.
I cannot maintain something God has made, I can though pollute and dishonour His work.
You suggest I maintain something which I cannot, and I exalt my deeds above Christ, when
Christ is the source of my deeds in the Spirit.

So it is simply not a discussion point as your assertions are not true.
It is strange to me, that though you claim you are a work of God you talk as if you are
a work of something else which is dominated by another force. God bless you in the grace
of our Loving Lord Jesus Christ

Giving me a bible verses won't work on me. You have nothing to offer I guess. You can't even expound John 15. Now it my turn to give one verse that may speak for you.

King James Version
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

I’m sorry you’re unable to grasp context.

Yesterday, I posted verses that all state in some way that "salvation" can be lost. Since then, they are all getting disputed, by some nicely written papers I must admit. And though I will go back and read them all I really am having very much difficulty with it all. But here is my problem.
How could God have ALWAYS HAVE MEANT SOMETHING ELSE? Its like I am being told that " GOD OWN WORDS ARE TRYING TO DECEIVE ME". And I think this is starting to feel a bit like lots of truth but JUST A slight twist that changes the truth to a lie to ......This warning given at the beginning of the book,
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And HE SAID unto the woman, YEA, HATH GOD SAID, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
I find it hard to believe that God wrote the bible so that NO ONE except for those who really studid it in depth could ever pick out its "truths" from its "seemingly truths".

Apparently, I have a problem with "CONTEXT" and I am just reading into such seemly simple verses what ever I want, which seems to never be the message God is trying to convey. IF THIS IS TRUE, I WISH TO APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO MAY HAVE READ ANY COMMENTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DECEIVING IN ANY WAY. I WOULD NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE TRY AND DECEIVE ANYONE ABOUT GODS WORD FOR ANY REASON. I WOULD TURN ON MY MOTHER AND FATHER BEFORE I WOULD EVER DO THAT. PLEASE KNOW THIS IS TRUE. I will, I promise, state my study results. It may take a while. But I will.

Ok.
That doesn't work on me too. so what?
John 15 is clear enough.

It most certainly is a bad thing. Actually it’s the worst of the worst. You’re putting your trust in yourself rather than solely in the atoning death and glorious Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Then clear enough what?

Pardon. I oppose your ideas because I deem my life is needed to have salvation? Really, lol.
I walk with Jesus, I dwell in the Spirit, I bring praise to Him for who He is, Amen.

15 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
1 John 3

We are either works of Christ to eternity or we are not.
Being born from on high has this terrible reality. I pray and hope you know His grace and love in your
life, because some of your sharing shows the Lord has done much in your heart. So I always have hope
as I do with all who I meet. We are called to be like Christ in His example

47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him.
For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that
very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded
me what to say and how to say it.
John 12

Clear that Jesus removes the unfruitful branches from Himself and burns them because no one can do anything apart from Him (Jesus).

Umm, so who did the burning and who are these unfruitful branches?

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Hi Smooth,

This is one serious problem with the approach you share.
Doing good can never be evil. God called Nineveh to repent and do good and they were not good people
or even people of faith.

Once you make good deeds evil you have changed kingdoms and theology. This is sin, and grevious to the Lord.
The Lord rewards good deeds and has always done so.

In Sodom and Gomorrah he searched for a righteous person.
In Noahs flood he searched for any good deeds and found only Noah.

5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Gen 6

Smooth, you then take deeds and accuse by doing good one is trying to justify oneself against the
work of Christ. This is all simply missing the point about goodness comes from God and His blessing
in our hearts shinning through, part of us being created in the image of God.

We believe in Jesus because He is God and our redemption, as well as being the way, the truth and the life.
For me you are obviously very naive to think we do anything to justify ourselves, rather this is an offering
of praise and the fruit of hearts to our King, Amen.

Did Jesus himself removes them?

Doesn't matter, they were cast out from the body of Christ and burned. The unfruitful branches are those that do not do good to others.

Noose, be clear please.

Thanks

Why it doesn't matter? Is that so?

Doesn't matter, the branches are not eternally attached to Christ, they can be cast out never to be reattached again.