THE ATHIEST AGENDA

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jul 30, 2019
31
0
6
You've played this game before. The Spirit teaches and you know too much about scripture to be an atheist. Most atheists are like most Christians the bible is just too confusing to read. Have fun, would enjoy speaking about scripture honestly. Love in the Lord Jesus
I'm honestly baffled by these things, they're very reasonable questions! And if the answer is 'God's plan' or 'faith' then that's simply not good enough for me to believe!
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
I don't accept any authority.
You do, but you seem unaware of the sources...

Questions you have not answered:

If you truly believe that there is no ultimate Truth, though, why would you seek it?


Um, why should we believe the adulterous war mongering pedophile Mohammed?

The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing, yes?

Non antagonistic, but you call God a dictator? What has He dictated to you recently?
 
Jul 30, 2019
31
0
6
You do, but you seem unaware of the sources...

Questions you have not answered:

If you truly believe that there is no ultimate Truth, though, why would you seek it?
I'm not saying there is no ultimate truth, I just wonder why you guys think it's what you think it is.

Um, why should we believe the adulterous war mongering pedophile Mohammed?
You shouldn't believe him either!

The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing, yes?
Not sure what this means

Non antagonistic, but you call God a dictator? What has He dictated to you recently?
Well, I don't believe in him so he can't dictate to me, but if you're asking how he could be described as a dictator;
He requires constant praise, gratitude and obedience, he sets 'laws' which are punishable by death and damnation, which include thought crimes, and he watches every action I make and knows my innermost thoughts which he uses to judge me.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
Ok well then I would ask why god is 'playing favourites' with the tribes of the old world, and if there was this plan from before the foundation of the world, why would that plan include, for example, Sodom and Gomorrah? And why would the plan involve humanity becoming so screwed up that God would have to sacrifice his son/self to set it straight again and unveil a new covenant to the gentiles? Why couldn't he just have salvation from the start? I'm also curious where Cain's wife came from.
Why call it playing favorites when Abraham was chosen because he listened, heard, and obeyed? Promises and covenants were made. It has already been said that you have a choice, and so did those from antiquity. They chose to rebel and be barbarous and cruel. Yet you think God should not care how His creatures treat each other? Humanity has chosen a path that shuts God and His commandments and principles out, but you wish to blame God for this? You say He is a dictator yet because we are not puppets with no choice you then complain? How peculiar. And yet it is rather typical, too ;) The atheist is ever at odds with their views on God. If Eve was the mother of all living at the time Cain married (Adam says she is) then he either married a sister, niece, or grand niece, an offspring of one of his siblings, or their offspring. There was no law against such then.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
I'm honestly baffled by these things, they're very reasonable questions! And if the answer is 'God's plan' or 'faith' then that's simply not good enough for me to believe!
Seek and you will find. Seek HIM. Get down on your knees and humbly ask for understanding.

Can you do that?
 
Jul 22, 2019
189
36
28
I'm honestly baffled by these things, they're very reasonable questions! And if the answer is 'God's plan' or 'faith' then that's simply not good enough for me to believe!
You''ve shown that your knowledge already goes beyond what any man could tell you. No man can bring you to GOD you must seek him, and only the Holy Spirit can open our eyes and give us knowledge. I cannot answer all the questions you have about GOD and creation only he can do that. All I can do is share the knowledge that was given to me (and always remember that my knowledge is "human and imperfect" and sifted through my lifes experiences and opinions and is not directly from the Holy Spirit that can only come from GOD). Love in our Lord Jesus May you enjoy your journey.
 
Jul 30, 2019
31
0
6
I guess then, we're boiling this down to the classic argument of why would god create humanity with the capacity for evil? What good could ever come from that? And 'free will' doesn't cut it as an answer if he had control of what that means too!
 
Jul 30, 2019
31
0
6
You''ve shown that your knowledge already goes beyond what any man could tell you. No man can bring you to GOD you must seek him, and only the Holy Spirit can open our eyes and give us knowledge. I cannot answer all the questions you have about GOD and creation only he can do that. All I can do is share the knowledge that was given to me (and always remember that my knowledge is "human and imperfect" and sifted through my lifes experiences and opinions and is not directly from the Holy Spirit that can only come from GOD). Love in our Lord Jesus May you enjoy your journey.
very reasonable response, I appreciate your honesty and well wishes.
 
Jul 30, 2019
31
0
6
Seek and you will find. Seek HIM. Get down on your knees and humbly ask for understanding.

Can you do that?
I wouldn't get on my knees before a very frank discussion with him about why he created bone cancer and the Loa Loa Worm!
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
I'm not saying there is no ultimate truth, I just wonder why you guys think it's what you think it is.
For myself, I sought truth, and it was revealed to me in the Person and work of Jesus Christ. I already told you this :)

The search for truth and meaning and purpose is ages old. You are not exempt. How much does it matter to you? Are you content to live your life not knowing, accepting second hand everything that people tell you? You can know for yourself. That is worth much. Everything, in fact :)

The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing, yes?
Not sure what this means
I answered this already also, like so:



It means only the Spirit of God can reveal to you, in your innermost self, the Truth of God.
Being told about God is not in any way the same as knowing/experiencing Him personally.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
I guess then, we're boiling this down to the classic argument of why would god create humanity with the capacity for evil? What good could ever come from that? And 'free will' doesn't cut it as an answer if he had control of what that means too!
The good of finding out for yourself that God is good, and His plan for your life is better than anything you could cook up for yourself, and in so knowing, you choose FOR YOURSELF, OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL, to follow Him and live by His leading and His principles.
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,887
2,112
113
To be fair, OT God enjoys a war too! Also polygamy was totally cool in the OT, as was marrying a girl 'not fit to bear a child'. Don't get me wrong; I'm no fan of Mohammed, but OT God is hardly a basket of kittens..
May I ask, to which verse or passage you are referring, by the bold ^ ? (I tried looking up that phrase but couldn't find it, I apologize).

Might you be referring to Numbers 31, by chance? (particularly, Numbers 31:18)... I could be wrong in my guess of the passage to which you are referring. Could you clarify? Thanks.
 

Jimbone

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2014
2,971
972
113
44
I wouldn't get on my knees before a very frank discussion with him about why he created bone cancer and the Loa Loa Worm!
I know I'm just kind of jumping in here, but lets turn it around on you if we can. Lets say there is no God, we all came about via the big bang + life + evolution and that whole religion, now what makes bone cancer "bad"? Why would you, and accidental collection of cells, however complex, have any concern at all for another collection of cells with a defect? What is the bad thing about it? What is bad? Can you even define it from your perspective? I also mean these questions seriously, not at all in a "gotcha" type way. I know I never even considered these kinds of questions before He opened my eyes, but I'd really like to know your answer to these. Also it's awesome to have you here, welcome.
 

Ohm

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2018
160
35
28
It seems you have no concept of what it means to say "progression" as in, within a species. Not, hey, here we have light perception in certain flowers and then try to make that say it shows the evolution of the complexity of the eye in humans in the fossil record. And you also seemed to overlook the fact that I gave a LINK to a SOURCE. I am simply relaying information :) You have disproved nothing, in fact.
You gave a link to a source that wasnt peer reviewed or scientifically published. I gave a link to one that was both.

I understand how evolutionary progression works. I am certain that you do not.
 

Ohm

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2018
160
35
28
I know I'm just kind of jumping in here, but lets turn it around on you if we can. Lets say there is no God, we all came about via the big bang + life + evolution and that whole religion, now what makes bone cancer "bad"? Why would you, and accidental collection of cells, however complex, have any concern at all for another collection of cells with a defect? What is the bad thing about it? What is bad? Can you even define it from your perspective? I also mean these questions seriously, not at all in a "gotcha" type way. I know I never even considered these kinds of questions before He opened my eyes, but I'd really like to know your answer to these. Also it's awesome to have you here, welcome.
The bad thing about it is that it kills people, and humans suffer for it. Not just the patient.

We both know that. Why even ask?
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,935
29,302
113
You gave a link to a source that wasnt peer reviewed or scientifically published. I gave a link to one that was both.

I understand how evolutionary progression works. I am certain that you do not.
And yet you have NOTHING to show the progression of the development of the eye in humans, while pretending you do.
 

Ohm

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2018
160
35
28
And yet you have NOTHING to show the progression of the development of the eye in humans, while pretending you do.
Except the scientifically peer reviewed and published article I posted (and the many others that exist).
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
8,268
5,516
113
Anaheim, Cali.
Except the scientifically peer reviewed and published article I posted (and the many others that exist).
Does science have any authority or more validity than Gods word? Where was science when the almighty created the universe?
 

cobalt1959

Active member
Feb 10, 2019
253
124
43
65
Science merely observes, experiments with and interprets factual information to form theories that explain natural processes. It's not a philosophy or a theology.
You keep saying that, and every time you repeat it, the statement is still false. Evolution is both a philosophy and a theology. The absence of God leaves a vacuum that has to be filled with something else, i.e., the lack of God has to replaced with another rational or philosophy, or doctrine. Evolutionists replace God with evolution.

I notice that you repeatedly ignore questions about God and Jesus. Perhaps because Evolution and Creation are two irreconcilable concepts. The fossil record is an imperfect reference point because evolutionists artificially age the earth to millions of years and they refuse to examine the fossil record, and more to the point, what is missing in it, with the Flood, which radically change the earth's makeup, including life, in a matter of days, not years.

As Calibob says, you either believe God is the Creator, or you do not. There is no way you can have it both ways.